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Re: [ga] FISA 2.

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Subject: Re: [ga] FISA 2.
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Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:10:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>JFC and all,</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; Yes it does.&nbsp; I read this&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt; your refrence below &gt; earlier this&nbsp;mourning.</P>
<P>However due&nbsp;to tighly held personal anomosities, I doubt either Dr. Dierker</P>
<P>or Debbie shall be reading it, or if they do, will recognize or understand</P>
<P>it's significance appropriately.&nbsp; </P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp; And thank your regarding the reminders of Tunis.&nbsp; I shall be giving</P>
<P>them another review tomarrow.<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: JFC Morfin <JEFSEY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Aug 4, 2007 9:05 AM <BR>To: ga <GA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: [ga] FISA 2. <BR><BR><ZZZHTML><ZZZBODY>This interests everyone, particularly:<BR><BR>- Thomas Narten, who is in charge of the Routing and Addressing Problem (ROAP) summary for the IAB/IETF. Every individual user must be able to decide of the routing of her data. This is something you must list in your summary. Everyone being entitled his own AS. Question: out of the existing 25,000 ASes how many are US industry? What is the growth rate you expect?<BR><BR>- Debbie Garside who wants to help organizing the US/UK Internationalized Internet and prevent an Open Multilingual Internet. Every user, community, country must be able to decide of her language and e-sovereignty and how to describe it. <BR><BR>- ICANN BoD: I never saw any ICANN rule concerning the Root Server loggers confidentiality. Who has access to them? Under which terms and conditions? What about DHS wanting the master key of DNS root zone, under which international control? <BR><BR>All of us can fully understand that the US (UK/AU) Govs and industries may try to benefit from an existing situation they created and others have (sometimes stupidly) accepted. This was agreed in Tunis. However, it was not agreed to make it permanent through technology and governance limitations. No government, no culture has a right of interference with others. No one is to try to be more equal than the others. Future is to everyone on an equal opportunity basis. This too was agreed in Tunis.<BR><BR>The US Government can do what they want on and with the US Internet, as long as the IETF technology and IANA services do not force anyone to fall under its jurisdiction. Everyone must be free to live, and therefore to use, develop and organise his/her Internet, in his/her own language under the full protection of his/her own Government. If this was not the case, it must be made the case. <BR><BR>This is not guantananet.<BR><BR>I know that the technology the IETF develops is not the technology that could be, but a technology based on its core values (RFC 3935) and that "the IESG believes that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not apply to the IETF's internal rules", because "IETF participants are assumed to be aware of IETF process rules before choosing to participate, and their participation is voluntary." <BR>jfc<BR><BR><B>------------------<BR><BR>Ruling Limited Spying Efforts<BR>Move to Amend FISA Sparked by Judge's Decision<BR><BR></B><FONT size=2>By <A href="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/carol+d.+leonnig++and+ellen+nakashima/"; target=_blank>Carol D. Leonnig and Ellen Nakashima</A><BR>Washington Post Staff Writers<BR>Friday, August 3, 2007; Page A01<BR><BR></FONT>A federal intelligence court judge earlier this year secretly declared a key element of the Bush administration's wiretapping efforts illegal, according to a lawmaker and government sources, providing a previously unstated rationale for fevered efforts by congressional lawmakers this week to expand the president's spying powers.<BR><BR>House <A href="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/b000589/"; target=_blank>Minority Leader John A. Boehner</A> (R-Ohio) disclosed elements of the court's decision in remarks Tuesday to <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/FOX+News+Network+LLC?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Fox News</A> as he was promoting the administration-backed wiretapping legislation. Boehner has denied revealing classified information, but two government officials privy to the details confirmed that his remarks concerned classified information.<BR><BR><B>The judge, whose name could not be learned, concluded early this year that the government had overstepped its authority in attempting to broadly surveil communications between two locations overseas that are passed through routing stations in the United States, according to two other government sources familiar with the decision.<BR><BR></B>The decision was both a political and practical blow to the administration, which had long held that all of the <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/National+Security+Agency?tid=informline"; target=_blank>National Security Agency</A>'s enhanced surveillance efforts since 2001 were legal. The administration for years had declined to subject those efforts to the jurisdiction of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, and after it finally did so in January the court ruled that the administration's legal judgment was at least partly wrong.<BR><BR>The practical effect has been to block the NSA's efforts to collect information from a large volume of foreign calls and e-mails that passes through U.S. communications nodes clustered around <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/New+York?tid=informline"; target=_blank>New York</A> and <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/California?tid=informline"; target=_blank>California</A>. Both Democrats and Republicans have signaled they are eager to fix that problem through amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).<BR><BR>"There's been a ruling, over the last four or five months, that prohibits the ability of our intelligence services and our counterintelligence people from listening in to two terrorists in other parts of the world where the communication could come through the United States," Boehner told Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto in a Tuesday interview.<BR><BR>"This means that our intelligence agencies are missing a wide swath of potential information that could help protect the American people," he said. Boehner added that some Democrats are aware of the problems caused by the judge's restrictive ruling and the problems it has caused for the administration's surveillance of terrorism suspects.<BR><BR>"The Democrats have known about this for months," Boehner said. "We have had private conversations, we have had public conversations that this needs to be fixed. And Republicans are not going to leave this week until this problem is addressed."<BR><BR>Commenting on Boehner's remarks, <A href="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/e000287/"; target=_blank>Rep. Rahm Emanuel</A> (Ill.), the House <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Democratic+Caucus?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Democratic Caucus</A> chairman, said yesterday that "John should remember the old adage: Loose lips very much sink ships." But <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Kevin+Smith?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Kevin Smith</A>, Boehner's spokesman, denied that the <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/U.S.+Republican+Party?tid=informline"; target=_blank>House Republican</A> leader had disclosed classified information.<BR><BR>Any assertion that Boehner spilled secrets "is just plain wrong and distracts from the critical task at hand -- fixing FISA to close the serious intelligence gaps that are jeopardizing our national security," Smith said.<BR><BR>Smith said that Boehner's comments were based on a public, Jan. 17 letter to Congress by <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Alberto+Gonzales?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales</A>, in which the administration announced that it would allow the NSA program to be reviewed by the intelligence court. That letter said that an intelligence court judge had issued orders "authorizing the Government to target for collection into or out of the United States where there is probable cause to believe" one of the parties is a terrorist.<BR><BR>But the letter referred only to "approval" of a government surveillance request and did not refer, as Boehner did, to the court's rejection of surveillance of specific foreign communications routed through the United States. The NSA surveillance at issue is part of a broader program authorized by <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/George+W.+Bush?tid=informline"; target=_blank>President Bush</A> shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Director of National Intelligence <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Mike+McConnell?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Mike McConnell</A> said this week in a public letter that the order covered "various intelligence activities" that he did not describe. "The details of the activities changed in certain respects over time," he said.<BR><BR>Since the existence of the warrantless wiretapping program was leaked to the public in late 2005, civil libertarians and legal experts have accused the administration of violating FISA and engaging in illegally broad data mining of telephone and e-mail records.<BR><BR>The effect of the judge's decision to curtail some of that surveillance was to limit the flow of information about possible terrorism suspects, according to congressional staffers briefed on the ruling. Last week, McConnell told the <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Center+for+Strategic+and+International+Studies?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Center for Strategic and International Studies</A> that the government faces "this huge backlog trying to get warrants for things that are totally foreign that are threatening to this country."<BR><BR>Gaining access to the foreign communications at issue would allow the NSA to tap into the huge volume of calls, faxes and e-mails that pass from one foreign country to another by way of fiber-optic connections in the United States.<BR><BR><B>"If you're calling from <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Germany?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Germany</A> to <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Japan?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Japan</A> or <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/China?tid=informline"; target=_blank>China</A>, it's very possible that the call gets routed through the United States, despite the fact that there are geographically much more direct routes to <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Asia?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Asia</A>," said Stephan Beckert of Telegeography Inc.<BR><BR></B>That was not true when Congress passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978. The law established much stricter limits on intercepting communications involving people or facilities in the United States. If those limits apply now, for example, to calls from <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Pakistan?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Pakistan</A> to <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Yemen?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Yemen</A> that pass through U.S. switches, the NSA could lose access to a substantial portion of global communications traffic.<BR><BR>Since March, the administration has quickly tried to build a case for the legislation, while concealing from the public and many in Congress a key event that appears to have driven the effort.<BR><BR>"It clearly shows that Congress has been playing with half a deck," said Jim Dempsey, policy director for the <A href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Center+for+Democracy+and+Technology?tid=informline"; target=_blank>Center for Democracy and Technology</A>. "The administration is asking lawmakers to vote on a very important piece of legislation based upon selective declassification of intelligence."<BR><BR>In April, McConnell proposed a much broader revision of FISA than what the administration is pressing Congress to approve this week. Under the new plan, the attorney general would have sole authority to authorize the warrantless surveillance of people "reasonably believed to be outside the United States" and to compel telecommunications carriers to turn over the information in real time or after it has been stored.<BR><BR>An unstated facet of the program is that anyone the foreigner is calling inside the United States, as long as that person is not the primary target, would also be wiretapped. On Saturday, Bush in his radio address argued more narrowly that "one of the most important ways we can gather that information is by monitoring terrorist communications." FISA, he said, "provides a critical legal foundation" in allowing the government to collect that information while protecting Americans' civil liberties.<BR><BR>Testifying on the Hill in May, McConnell argued that the law needed to be updated to accommodate technology's advance. <B>"Today a single communication can transit the world, even if the two people communicating are only a few miles apart," he said, alluding to the fact that a significant volume of e-mails and phone calls are routed through the United States.<BR><BR></B>Democrats announced this week a proposal that would also expand the government's wiretapping authority but would keep it under FISA court supervision. The authority would expire in six months.<BR><BR>This week, McConnell spent hours on the Hill briefing lawmakers. On Tuesday, he gave about 50 senators a classified briefing making the case for the legislation. That briefing included the change in the threat environment, as well as a description of the court development, according to a government source who requested anonymity because the briefing was classified.<BR><BR>"He was not complaining about one judge or another," the source said. "He was saying, 'I need to collect X, but I can only collect Y and we need to change the law on that.' "<BR><BR><EM>Washington Post staff writers Dan Eggen and Barton Gellman and washingtonpost.com staff writer Paul Kane contributed to this report.<BR><BR></EM>Regards,<BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing&nbsp; (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated 1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of<BR>Information Network Eng.&nbsp; INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Registered Email addr with the USPS Contact Number: 214-244-4827<BR></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>
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