Re: [ga] primary objectives of the General Assembly mailing list

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Debbie and all,

  First and again, lets try to keep those CC's trimmed ok Debbie?
I trimmed them for the 12th time for you again here.

  Second, I agree as well.  Now the ? remains, how are the
"views of the membership" to be determined?  Rough consensus,
or by majority vote?  I say, majority vote.

Debbie Garside wrote:

> Danny wrote:
>
> > As such, I would change the wording to read "to ascertain and
> > transmit the views of the membership".
>
> I think that is a well reasoned change to make.  Very often when conducting
> market research, the opinions one is after are not necessarily those of the
> majority.  To present both sides and their rationales could be very helpful
> to ICANN and the associated bodies in formulating policy changes that take
> into account the views and concerns of all.  I am for this change and unless
> I hear to the contrary, I will incorporate it within the next version.
>
> > Please note that as some list participants are articulating
> > the views of special-interest communities (this is a
> > cross-constituency platform), the output of this body cannot
> > necessarily be viewed as the "views of the ordinary citizen".
>
> One thing I am trying to get across in these rules, and this is something
> that I think is most important to allow freedom for participation, is that
> the people participating are individuals and, unless otherwise stated (as is
> the case with our current Chair posting as himself or as Chair); their
> comments and opinions are their own and not necessarily those of the
> organizations that they generally represent.  This gives each individual the
> right to express an individual opinion whether they be Board member, Chair
> or any other related position.  Thus when I post it is as me, myself and I
> and not as MD of this company, CEO of that, Board Member of this or that or
> the other.
>
> Comments and wording on this would be most welcome - assuming you agree.
>
> Best
>
> Debbie
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Danny Younger
> > Sent: 26 July 2007 13:46
> > To: debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; terastra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ga] primary objectives of the General Assembly
> > mailing list
> >
> > Joop has put forward a very reasonable concern.
> >
> > The power of the Chair to determine rough consensus can
> > easily be abused (as is the case at the moment within the
> > GNSO's WHOIS WG where the BC Chair Philip Shepard is
> > declaring "agreement" on language where no such agreement
> > exists -- and we've seen this happen before when BC members
> > have chaired other working groups such as the earlier DNSO Review WG).
> >
> > With that said, I think we're making a mistake by becoming
> > infatuated with the notion of attaining and representing a
> > consensus view.  If this body will ever get to the point of
> > issuing documents to the Board, it will be more important to
> > record and transmit all views and the rationale for such
> > views (as this body is, by definition, not a constituency
> > that has the obligation to endeavor to represent a rough consensus).
> >
> > As such, I would change the wording to read "to ascertain and
> > transmit the views of the membership".
> >
> > Please note that as some list participants are articulating
> > the views of special-interest communities (this is a
> > cross-constituency platform), the output of this body cannot
> > necessarily be viewed as the "views of the ordinary citizen".
> >
> >
> > Joop wrote:
> >
> > Frankly, I'm a bit worried about any mechanism that purports
> > "to ascertain and represent the consensual views of the
> > ordinary citizen as a collective" if it isn't based on voting
> > and counting.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Regards,
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