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Re: [ga] Sponsorship of IGF Workshops
- To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [ga] Sponsorship of IGF Workshops
- From: Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:43:03 -0400
- Cc: Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Hugh Dierker'" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Karl Auerbach'" <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Danny Younger wrote:
Roberto,
Joe raises an interesting consideration, namely that
if ICANN is in the business of dealing with DNS
Security and Stability concerns, it should probably
have the benefit of as much hard data as it can get.
Joe has mentioned CAIDA (well known for their research
and scholarship -- see, for instance
http://www.caida.org/research/dns/ ).
They probably already have the data. They have an on going relationship
with Paul Vixie. Vixie at this time sees a good portion of the internet
universes of networks. He collects data from the following major city
centers, Ottawa; Palo Alto; San Jose CA;
New York City; San Francisco; Madrid; Hong Kong; Los Angeles; Rome;
Auckland; Sao Paulo; Beijing; Seoul; Moscow; Taipei; Dubai; Paris;
Singapore; Brisbane; Toronto; Monterrey; Lisbon; Johannesburg; Tel Aviv;
Jakarta; Munich; Osaka; Prague; Amsterdam; Barcelona; Nairobi; Chennai;
London; Santiago de Chile; Dhaka;Karachi;Torino;Chicago; Buenos
Aires;Caracas;and Oslo.
Can you imagine the data Paul has collected. It can actually prove and
show internet fractures forming with each additional of root. From the
alternative roots to the ministry of industry china launching the china
national tlds. A major error rate on the icann roots. Someday this may
all be evidence, one way or the other of te damage caused by icann to
the net. They know they have created significant error.
All this information is collected by root. i know vixie logs it.
imagine the privacy implications too.
Perhaps ICANN could look into the prospect of engaging
CAIDA's services? Perhaps periodic analyses of DNS
performance?
That will be a really good idea. Or perhaps it is time to verify my
claims - demand the data be produced and independently analised. And
the analysis be made public with appropriate attention being paid to
privacy issues.
regards
joe baptista
--- Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Joe,
The queries you refer are indeed errors: they are
requests who were
addressed to the wrong root.
People who want to address resources who are outside
the official root
system should go to the particular root that
recognizes those resources: if
they don't, it's what is commonly called a mistake,
aka "error".
Cheers,
Roberto
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Baptista
Sent: 06 July 2007 18:14
To: Hugh Dierker
Cc: Karl Auerbach; Danny Younger;
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Subject: Re: [ga] Sponsorship of IGF Workshops
Hugh Dierker wrote:
Go slow for me. I assume that the root server
traffic analysis has
been asked for by someone. What is the suggested
reason for
refusing
to make it public?
The only one I ever remember being published was
the one from
CAIDA. I wrote on it:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/05/dud_queries_swamp_us_internet/
After that article I have never again seen an
analysis of
root server traffic. I asked for the data and
Paul Vxie back
then refused to provide it to the public claiming
possible
privacy violations.
The reason why root server data and analysis is
not made
public is because it show how much technical harm
has been
done or is being done to the technical
infrastructure icann
as sworn to protect. The article tells you that
back in 2003
98 percent of the queries to the root servers were
errors.
This is not altogether true. Many of these errors
are as a
result of the rapid expansion of other namespaces
- i.e. like
the chinese government MII, the arab consortium -
etc etc.
I would not be surprised if a majority of the
queries were to
chinese IDNs run by the chinese government. I
suspect the
chinese wth the launch of their national tlds and
the
conversion of the china network to national IDNs I
suspect
the chinese traffic would now make up the bulk of
the volumn
in DNS queries to the ICANN root.
A proper analysis also makes them look like fools.
Since it
shows that as the US government has tried to
control the
internet - the internet has fragemented and the
proof is in
the traffic error rate.
ICANN is proof that the USG experimet has failed.
This
brings up the question - should we develop a root
integration
experiment and have that replace icann.
You see the problem here. This data clearly shows
that as
icann as played fun and games pretending to run
the internet,
the internet has ended up causing them over 98 %
error rate
and those errors represent alot of internet roo
fragmentation. And that is a violation of the IAB
Policy on
the Unique root.
I still remember the silly claims they had at
icann many years ago.
They were grinding the propaganda mill telling the
world they
had a monopoly on root services. The alternative
root
experiments proved that a farce.
Check in to it - see if you can find any public
analysis available.
CAIDA should be able to provide you with a copy of
the analysis.
cheers
joe baptista
Eric
*/Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>/*
wrote:
Karl Auerbach wrote:
> Even if ICANN were to vanish in a poof of
money
colored smoke IP
> packets would still flow unvexed from
source IP address to
destination
> IP address and domain name query packets
would continue to be
> transformed into domain name response
packets.
Registrars would
still
> buy and sell domain names and registrars
would still
construct zone
> files and run their name servers.
Intellectual
property lawyers
will
> whine, but will compensate by increasing
the bills
they send to
their
> clients. And a lot of superfluous "staff"
and
consultants would
have
> to find new jobs.
Amen. That day is coming.
I would go further and say that ICANN has
actually
cause problems
in the
technical function. I'm a bit concerned with
their little
experiment in
list IDN TLDs as A RRs.
Also speaking about TLDs as A RRs, what
about
localhost. That TLD
causes alot of traffic at the root server
level.
And if ICANN published it's root server
traffic
analysis we would
see that.
Every computer in
the world knows the answer to localhost. The
only
localhost traffic
that is hitting ICANN roots these days is
coming from
misconfigured
computers. If ICANN provided an answer to
localhost then would
that not
be better. Would te internet not benefit
from a
decrease in localhost
traffic to the root servers.
Part of the function of managing internet
resources is
to correct
error.
regards
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