RE: [ga] Call for Statements of Interest -- NA RALO Seats on ALAC

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Danny, Milton and all,

  Of course, ethically you are quite right Danny.  But we
must also recognize that the GA's last election only
fielded less than 30 participants.  Does that fact
make the GA illigitimate?  I don't believe it does.
Yet long ago now ICANN disassociated itself with the
GA.  A cunundrem perhaps?!

-----Original Message-----
>From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jun 22, 2007 9:30 PM
>To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ga] Call for Statements of Interest -- NA RALO Seats on  ALAC
>
>Roberto,
>
>No one's arguing that it's unacceptable to post the
>notice to a relevant mailing list.  I contend that the
>requirement for sufficient outreach has not been met. 
>The Call for Statements of Interest was not posted on
>the NARALO website, it was not posted on the ALAC
>website, it was not posted on the ICANN website;
>neither was it posted on ICANN's public participation
>website, nor in the ICANN Blog.  It was not in an
>ICANN newsletter, nor in an ICANN news alert nor in an
>at-large newsletter.  
>
>Confining the Call only to the tiny handful of
>subscribers to the NA list is unfair to the broader
>North American At-Large community.
>
>Perhaps you recall the earlier at-large elections? 
>Sufficient publicity, and 10,632 participating North
>American members... and what do you have now with your
>pretend at-large?  Will you even get 32 votes to
>select a North American representative to the ALAC? 
>
>It's sad to think that you remain comfortable
>perpetrating a fraud.
>
>As Milton Mueller recently stated on the NCUC list:
>
>"Originally, the At Large was created to represent
>unaffiliated individuals. After the "reforms" of 2002,
>when the At Large membership became the At Large
>Advisory Committee, the concept of At Large was
>suddenly based on "At Large Structures" (ALSs). "At
>large structure" is just a fancy name for a
>noncommercial organization. The combination of an ALAC
>based on ALSs and an NCUC based on noncommercial
>organizations is a source of perpetual confusion among
>civil society actors who are considering participation
>in ICANN, and a source of discoordination within
>ICANN. This confusion is compounded by the fact that
>many people, apparently including the Board Governance
>Committee, still think that ALAC represents
>unaffiliated individuals, which it does only
>imperfectly because of its reliance on ALSs."
>
>The entire ALAC and RALO concepts remain an insult to
>the at-large community.  I guess it's no wonder that
>you want to keep real outreach to the real at-large to
>a minimum... 
>
>
>
>--- Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Danny,
>> Since the seat is for representing NA RALO, I find
>> it perfectly acceptable
>> to post it in the relevant mailing list, i.e. the NA
>> RALO.
>> Obviously, participants to the NA RALO mailing list,
>> like you, can post it
>> to other list as they see fit.
>> Cheers,
>> Roberto
>> 
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Danny Younger
>> > Sent: 22 June 2007 16:37
>> > To: veni markovski; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Statements of Interest
>> -- NA RALO 
>> > Seats on ALAC
>> > 
>> > Veni,
>> > 
>> > You understand that no outreach was done
>> whatsoever? 
>> > Just a Call posted to a single small list?  And
>> you find this 
>> > acceptable?  Shame on you.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > --- veni markovski <veni@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Danny,
>> > > you understand that sometimes the quality is not
>> in the quantity, 
>> > > right?
>> > > As for that - I believe we have had a discussion
>> about the 
>> > > participation in the At Large process. People
>> can choose to 
>> > be part of 
>> > > this solution, or part of the problem, or part
>> of the landscape.
>> > > And, as Wendy pointed out, there is no problem
>> for the 
>> > organizations 
>> > > (e.g. ISOC-New York) to be more active at the At
>> Large.
>> > > So, you could contribute, or continue to try to
>> mock and ruin other 
>> > > people's efforts.
>> > > 
>> > > veni
>> > > 
>> > > At 09:51 6/22/2007  -0700, Danny Younger wrote:
>> > > >Spotted only on the North American discuss list
>> -- really great 
>> > > >outreach if all you want is a tiny
>> > > club.
>> > > >Probably deserves a complaint to the
>> Ombudsman's office...
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >        
>> >
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