Re: [ga] Vote on representation first

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dominik and all,

  Thank you for your clarification of your previous post on
this thread.

  Crystal balls are not needed, common sense is.

  When we have elected "officials" we as GA members by vote,
can consider what's next and how to exercise same. Therefore,
horse first than cart.  Let's also try to remember that whomever
we elect is a servant to the GA members, and not a decision maker
for the GA members.  Otherwise we will have chaos as was evident
and prevalent in the IDNO days...

Dominik Filipp wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> the length of our debate over anything will depend on our individual
> involvement in that. I can't predict this as long as I don't have a
> crystal ball at my disposal.
>
> I have no idea how you've come to the conclusion that I'm talking about
> a subset of GA members to be able to vote. I'm not talking about a "new
> GA" group or whatever else either.
>
> I, of course, want everybody on the GA to be able to vote, just
> proposing the prior subscribing to the GA list should be mandatory.
>
> The fact we have a voting mechanism is, unfortunately, not sufficient
> enough in gaining more attention from ICANN however transparent and
> legitimate the mechanism might seem. You know very well we all here can
> agree on anything and ICANN can still brush away the results as it did
> many times in the past. The same would be valid for the results of
> voting unless the results are backed up by additional effort of the
> proposed GA chair and co-chair representatives, who, in my opinion,
> could also act as the liaisons between the GA and the official ICANN
> representatives and/or the outside world, ... or at least try to act.
> That's what I meant by saying "official GA presentation".
>
> And, of course, once we reach such a status and demonstrate our ability
> to comprehensibly formulate, discuss, and vote on various issues as well
> as clearly present the voting results to the public, all this will
> undoubtedly contribute to a "new GA" quality.
>
> Hope, it clarifies now...
>
> Frankly, I really didn't expect that my words could be so
> misinterpreted.
>
> Dominik
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:54 AM
> To: Dominik Filipp
> Cc: ga
> Subject: Re: [ga] Vote on representation first
>
> Dominika and all,
>
>   Ok, you have although indirectly answered my ?.  It seems this
> "What/which come first" debate will be rather lengthy.  How sad.
>
>   We have no "new GA".  We do have a mechanisms by which the GA can
> vote.  The GA voting does not need any "official"
> presentation if voting is done publicly using the voting booth.
>
> Dominik Filipp wrote:
>
> > I don't know, Jeff. My order of precedence is clearly stated, though
> > not detailed yet.
> >
> > Recently I've also realized we could have something like a GA charter
> > describing the main principles the new GA voting society would abide
> > by (such as respecting voting results and their official presentation
> > via the chair/co-chair, etc.). The charter could then be published on
> > the booth site.
> >
> > Dominik
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:55 AM
> > To: Dominik Filipp
> > Cc: Joop Teernstra; Hugh Dierker; ga
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Vote on representation first
> >
> > Dominik and all,
> >
> >   Well now, how long are we or you, Joop, and Dr. Dierker going to
> > debate and/or argue which should be done first?
> >
> > Dominik Filipp wrote:
> >
> > > I would prefer having a chair and a co-chair too, and wouldn't go
> > > into
> >
> > > the personal nomination election for now either.
> > >
> > > As for the competence of the future GA chair & co-chair
> > > representatives, the voting results over issues should be mandatory
> > > for the representatives and as such delegated to the outside world.
> > > The representatives, thanks to the natural credibility given by the
> > > voting public they represent, could therefore gain more respect from
>
> > > the ICANN representatives.
> > >
> > > I, personally, would start with clarifying the chair (co-chair)
> > > responsibilities and the subsequent voting on this. In the meantime,
>
> > > we could start considering the personal nominations.
> > >
> > > By the way, Joop, I like the overall web site look'n'feel, nicely
> > > done...
> > >
> > > Dominik
>
> Regards,
> --
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
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IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
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E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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