Re: [ga] Whois more in detail

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dr. Dierker, Chris and all,

  Caveat Emptor indeed.

  Chris, sorry old son, but Dr. Dierker is correct.  Any company can ask

for a credit card for payment for any financial transaction.  A company
cannot
however demand that a customer pay for goods or services with
only a credit card only.  Further, no customer can demand any specific
information from and company, but any customer can ASK for
same and decide if the answer is satisfactory, if he and/or she wishes
to do business with that company or not.

Hugh Dierker wrote:

>    Caveat Emptor
>
> kidsearch <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:          I guess I
> shouldn't be surprised here. Hugh, consumer protection is not an
> invasion of privacy. If a company does not wish to disclose who they
> are, then they should not be allowed to ask for people's credit cards.
> Which part of that is difficult to comprehend?
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Hugh Dierker
>   To: Jeff Williams ; Dominik Filipp
>   Cc: ga ; icann board address
>   Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:46 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ga] Whois more in detail
>
>
>   I have not looked up the definition of Anarchy recently, but it
> seems to me that absence of laws is not a requirement. Anarchy is when
> there is no enforcement of laws. Of course voluntary compliance is
> self enforcement.
>   So we do not face an anarchy situation here, we worry over those who
> would break the laws in order to cheat others. Common law has both
> tort and criminal actions and remedies for such conduct, assuming
> injury.
>   If someone says something and you have a right to rely upon it, and
> you do and it is false and it harms you, you have many remedies
> already. Just because it is an issue involving the internet does not
> mean we throw thousands of years of jurisprudence out the window.
>
>   A lock stops an honest man, not a thief.
>
>   e
>
>
> Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   Dominik and all,
>
> Some questions needing answers and incorporation into any
> Whois policy might and/or should be:
>
> How is any model going to be enforced? Whom is responsible for
> enforcement? What are the means by which enforcement is effected?
> What, if any are the penalties for infractions/multiple infractions?
> To
> whom and how are infractions reported?
>
> It is and has been clear that ICANN cannot or will not enforce
> upon itself it's own bylaws, ect. It is also clear that Registries
> cannot
> or will not follow and comply with their own contracts and/or
> policies.
> It is also very clear that registrars cannot or will not follow and
> comply
> with their own contracts and/or policies.
>
> So whom or what is to be the Whois enforcement entity?
> Do we have another of many Chickens and eggs?
>
> Dominik Filipp wrote:
>
> > Absolutely, Chris. In my opinion, reporting whois-noncompliant links
> is
> > an essential part of the whois policy. This question will come forth
>
> > anyway regardless of the whois model eventually chosen.
> >
> > Dominik
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kidsearch [mailto:kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:51 PM
> > To: Dominik Filipp; ga
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Whois more in detail
> >
> > I see that as completely doable Dominik and appreciate the time you
> > spent on that. One question is would it be enforceable? I mean say I
>
> > registered a domain nameand said i was a nonprofit or noncomm, but
> then
> > built a commercial website anyway. There could be a link in the
> whois,
> > "report this website as noncompliant with whois rules" where users
> can
> > report that it is a commercial website and not a noncomm.
> >
> > Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> > http://www.articlecontentprovider.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dominik Filipp"
> > To: "ga"
> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:49 AM
> > Subject: [ga] Whois more in detail
>
> Regards,
>
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--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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