Re: [ga] scammers using whois privacy

["kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

If you have no real need to hide your identity while trying to sell me something, you should not. Works that way too Hugh.

Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hugh Dierker 
  To: kidsearch ; Karl Auerbach 
  Cc: Dena Whitebirch ; ga 
  Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [ga] scammers using whois privacy


  Look up the history and current laws relating to stalkers. Privacy is paramount and we have developed laws to asure only people with a reasonable need may get the information and they in fact are well tracked. 
  (some will argue that you can just walk in and get property documents at your local recorder -but think about that. You already know where they live, business licenses are the same.)

  Also if you got no real need to know you simply should not.

  e

  kidsearch <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
    None of which I have to do to find out who owns a piece of property or who 
    got the business license for a store offline. On ecommerce websites there is 
    no strong legitimate reason for hiding the information in my opinion Karl. 
    The right to know who you are about to do business with isn't important to 
    you?

    Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
    http://www.articlecontentprovider.com



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Karl Auerbach" 
    To: "kidsearch" 
    Cc: "Dena Whitebirch" ; "ga" 
    Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 4:38 PM
    Subject: Re: [ga] scammers using whois privacy


    > kidsearch wrote:
    >
    >> ... One of the reasons cited for being able to hide whois info was to ...
    >
    > And one of the curative measures that seems to constantly escape the minds 
    > of ICANN is that *before* any person should be allowed to examine whois 
    > information that person ought to be required to declare, in writing, into 
    > a permanent and public archive the following things:
    >
    > - Who it is who is making the inquiry (including any necessary proofs of 
    > that identity.)
    >
    > - What legal right of the person making the inquiry is being violated. 
    > (If the person is acting as an agent or attorney on behalf of the putative 
    > injured person, than that relationship should be disclosed as well.)
    >
    > - A statement of concrete facts that lead to the reasonable belief that 
    > the data subject of the whois record is, in fact, the person who is the 
    > direct cause of those violations.
    >
    > In an ideal world this statement would be reviewed by an impartial person 
    > to spot what are incomplete or bogus applications to make whois inquiries. 
    > But that may be too expensive. So in lieu, the manager of the whois 
    > database should do two things:
    >
    > - Whenever someone applies to look at a whois record on a person, that 
    > person should be sent an e-mail notice containing the statements above.
    >
    > - A tabulation of all the people making inquiries, showing how many 
    > inquiries they have made. This will help identify those who do data 
    > mining from whois.
    >
    > But as I have said, this notion of adding a balance to the inquiry system 
    > seems to be something that the mind of ICANN can not absorb.
    >
    > --karl--
    > 




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