[ga] Re: [A2k] Re: [Politech] United Nations summit convenes in Athens: lots of talk, not much else [fs]

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Peter and all,

  With all due respect to Fred, he didn't sound all that concerned, and
therefore interested in rocking the boat very much, which is what is
clearly needed.  $$ speaks allot louder than "Political speak".

Peter Noorlander wrote:

> It was interesting, though, to hear the Microsoft guy saying that perhaps it's time to reconsider their China business. One of their senior executives, Fred Tipson <http://policycouncil.nationaljournal.com/EN/Forums/Microsoft/6f246e34-929a-41df-a68d-605ae8a0bb6e.htm> , is quoted on the BBC website saying that "[t]hings are getting bad ... and perhaps we have to look again at our presence there ... We have to decide if the persecuting of bloggers reaches a point that it's unacceptable to do business there ... We try to define those levels and the trends are not good there at the moment ... It's a moving target." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6102180.stm
>
> He could of course be pandering to the audience but it's still interesting that he goes on record saying this.
>
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>         Subject: [A2k] Re: [Politech] United Nations summit convenes in Athens: lots of talk, not much else [fs]
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>
>
>         Declan and all,
>
>           Thanks for your view and the links to others view's as well.
>
>           I am encouraged in reading the admonishment of Google's, Yahoo's,
>         Microsofts, and Cisco's relationship from a global ethical view with
>         China, by the United Nations.
>
>           On the flip side, the U.N. and many of it's internal org's have often,
>         and been well known for "overheated proposals" some of which were
>         enacted, and have failed terribly and tragically.  So I am fairly
>         sure companies like Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and Cisco shook
>         such "overheated proposals" or any proposals that are viewed detrimental
>         to their stockholders and other business goals , like water off a ducks
>         back...
>
>         Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
>         > So I'm at this U.N. "Internet Governance Forum" outside of Athens, where
>         > there's plenty of talk (and overheated proposals) but not much else.
>         >
>         > Kieren McCarthy has some coverage here:
>         > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/31/igf_day_one/
>         > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/31/igf_blog_tuesday/
>         >
>         > And a BBC blog is here:
>         > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6105496.stm
>         >
>         > Some of my articles follow.
>         >
>         > -Declan
>         >
>         > http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6130549.html
>         > ATHENS, Greece--A top United Nations official on Monday called for
>         > changes in the way the Internet is operated, taking aim at "self-serving
>         > justifications" for permitting the United States to preserve its unique
>         > influence and authority online.
>         >
>         > http://news.com.com/U.N.+blasts+Cisco%2C+others+on+China+cooperation/2100-1028_3-6131010.html?tag=nl
>         > ATHENS, Greece--Delegates to a United Nations summit on Tuesday assailed
>         > Google, Cisco Systems, Microsoft and Yahoo for cooperating too closely
>         > with China, suggesting that new global regulations of free expression
>         > might be necessary.
>         >
>         > http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6131394.html
>         > On Wednesday, delegates to a United Nations summit here complained that
>         > the ASCII-only choice was representative of an Internet culture that is
>         > far too English-centric and that fails to respect other languages.
>         >
>         > http://news.com.com/China+We+dont+censor+the+Internet.+Really/2100-1028_3-6130970.html?tag=nl
>         > ATHENS, Greece--While many countries block off some Web sites, China has
>         > long drawn heightened scrutiny because of the breadth and sophistication
>         > of its Internet censorship.
>         > Which is why it came as a surprise on Tuesday when a Chinese government
>         > official claimed at a United Nations summit here that no Net censorship
>         > existed at all.
>         >
>         > http://news.com.com/2061-10796_3-6130991.html
>         > You'd think that of all places that should have speedy and reliable
>         > Internet access, a United Nations summit on the Internet would be high
>         > on the list.
>         >
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obediance of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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