Re: [ga] significant user representation

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sotiris and all,

  Even me huh!  My stock must have gone up a few points.  Wow!

  Please try to respect Chucks participation regardless of if or wheather
same is bias or not in line with what you or I may or may not agree
with.  I personally and individually much more concerned about the
lack of ICANN Bod and staff members participation openly and
lack of transparency in all of ICANN;s various advisory group's.
Lack of open dialog and equal participation carries a detriment
to every Stakeholder/user/registrant and future Stakeholder/user/registrant.

sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Your non-response is a flagrant cop out.  Whose being juvenile now?
>
> If you weren't employed by Verisign, I have to wonder if you'd even be a
> party to ICANN matters and related deliberations etc at all.
>
> I admire individuals like George, Danny, Joop, Chris, and yes, even Jeff
> Williams!  As an American, I would expect that you would have an inkling
> of what interests these individuals, so much so that they are here on
> their own dime and time; they are not being paid to participate - but they
> were asked!
>
> Let's name things for what they are for a change: it's self-interest,
> Chuck, just as it is for you. I was under the impression that the pursuit
> of self-interest was what the good ole USA was all about... was I wrong?
> The fact that the hoi polloi are not all here is because of involuntary
> ignorance of how much DNS matters really do *matter* and not because they
> wouldn't care if they knew...
>
> I fear that such sentiments are wasted on you, though, Chuck. After
> all,some people considered the Founding Fathers of the United States
> 'activists' too.
>
> Sigh.  At times when reading the correspondence on this list I feel like I
> am reading excerpts from one of Ayn Rand's novels.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sotiris Sotiropoulos
>
> > I learned years ago not to try to have meaningful dialog with people who
> > make statements like this: "Chuck would argue that if anyone disagrees
> > with him, they must be biased activists, and not representative of the
> > unheard masses. Typical debating tactic used in high school, usually on
> > the losing side."  So you are correct George: no response from me.
> >
> > Chuck Gomes
> > VeriSign Information Services
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Kirikos
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:50 PM
> >> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: [ga] significant user representation
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> --- "Prophet Partners Inc." <Domains@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > My interpretation of Chuck's comment to you last week is that he
> >> > implies public comment should come from a publicly appointed
> >> > spokesperson(s) to be valid, otherwise the opinion only represents a
> >> > few so-called activists. His solution of empowering the public via
> >> > more TLD choices is only a solution for a subset of the public
> >> > community and not all registrants. Consumer choice is a perfectly
> >> > acceptable solution in a truly free and competitive market
> >> > environment, but in a single supplier market, it simply
> >> doesn't work.
> >>
> >> Chuck would argue that if anyone disagrees with him, they must be
> >> biased activists, and not representative of the unheard
> >> masses. Typical
> >> debating tactic used in high school, usually on the losing side. CIRA
> >> (.ca) allows every domain owner to register to vote  for its officers.
> >> It would be a very simple exercise for VeriSign to do the
> >> same for .com
> >> (even with a thin WHOIS), 1 vote per domain registrant, in
> >> coordination
> >> with the various registrars. A few hundred thousand dollars of
> >> programming, at most, or one could license the technology from others
> >> (e.g. online shareholder voting, as done by various companies).
> >>
> >> I'll bet a dozen donuts that you won't find a majority of .com
> >> registrants willing to pay for 7% annual increases in registration
> >> costs at the wholesale, or who want presumptive renewal, or
> >> who want to
> >> give VeriSign free use of their traffic data. I doubt those "unheard
> >> masses" are screaming for higher prices. Heck, maybe Karl or others
> >> (not me) could even be elected as representatives of domain holders.
> >>
> >> If you want a sense of what VeriSign likely considers "representative"
> >> opinion, you only need read:
> >>
> >> http://blog.lextext.com/blog/_archives/2006/7/15/2125118.html
> >> http://texturbation.com/blog/2006/07/14/free2innovate-is-a-pai
> >> d-corporate-pr-blog/
> >> http://kierenmccarthy.co.uk/2006/07/15/steven-forrest-outed-as
> >> -bill-hobbs/
> >>
> >> How about a comment, Chuck? Do you consider these kinds of bloggers,
> >> who are supposedly pseudonyms and allegedly on the VeriSign payroll,
> >> posting in support of VeriSign the kind of public input that ICANN
> >> should be considering when making decisions?
> >>
> >> I'd like to see VeriSign at least deny that he was ever on their
> >> payroll, on the public record. Then, if there's ever a lawsuit or
> >> Discovery (or maybe in the current CFIT lawsuit), and it turns out
> >> differently, heads will roll.
> >>
> >> Willing to stick your head out?
> >>
> >> (my guess is Chuck won't respond)
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> George Kirikos
> >> http://www.kirikos.com/
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

Regards,

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