Re: [ga] More on google censorship

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dr. Dierker and all DNSO GA members or other interested
stakeholders/users,

Again you must not have read the linked article/report very closely.
So to emphasize and illustrate more clearly here is a few excerpts,
* bracketed words/terms are added by me for emphases purposes:

"The U.S. government will wade into the thorny question of Internet
freedom in China and the role played by U.S. technology companies
such as Google in complying with Chinese government *censorship.*"

and also

"The Internet gave the Chinese people a way around their governments
censorship, so the Chinese government has picked off U.S. technology
providers one by one and made them gatekeepers instead of gateways,?
said Mickey Spiegel, senior researcher in the Asia division of Human
Rights Watch. ?As long as you have companies with competing motives,
there is the danger of further *censorship.*?

Hence it seems obvious that the USG is rightly concerned about the
behavior
of US based search engine companies have self interest motives that may
violate
current US law and trade policy and agreements.

Further still, additional related articles/reports in this subject area,

wrt, CENSORSHIP in all its ugly and disgusting forms and recent
search engine company perpetrators, such as google, and maybe
ICANN.
see:
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=15460&hed=Google+Bows+to+China%e2%80%99s+Censors&sector=Regions&subsector=Asia

Given Vints own historical and ongoing comments in his attitude he
himself
proports towards the ugliness of censorship.  I do not say that he is
responsible
for googles censorship policy, but it seems at the very least plausible
and
in our members view, likely Vint has influenced such a policy into
actual
practice in googles decision regarding googles china's governments
desire
to further censor it's people...

Indeed the USG is ALSO rightly worried about bribery.  As often
censorship is a tool by which bribery can be effected, enhanced,
and aided, it should come as little surprise the USG along with
many US based NGO's are so concerned.

Hugh Dierker wrote:

>    Jeff, easy old boy.
>
>   Just because Vints name comes up with Google does not mean he has
> anything to do with googlechina. Your article is about bribery not
> censorship. And it is not about bribery occuring but about the steps
> our USgov goes to to prevent it.
>   I think you should be aware, that there are folks whose sole job in
> life is to look into foreign investment. More particularly, East Asian
> Communist joint ventures with US based companies. And probably we
> could break that down even further - China/technology. And then we
> would find that there are at least 30 folks who look at this niche
> full time and interface or investigate the US companies doing such
> business. It is good for everyone. Until some ignorant reporter
> reports it like it must mean something bad is going on, when in fact
> it is so routine and mondane that the USgov guys sometimes have an
> office right in with the company.
>
>   Since the article does not mention any wrongful conduct (report of
> same could be obtain through FOI) One must assume this article is
> really an endorsement of the companies mentioned as being clean.
>
>   e
>
> Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   All former DNSO GA members and other interested stakeholders/users,
>
> Is google and other search engine companies on a selective
> censorship binge? If so, could such be from influence of
> Vint Cerf given his known propensity for same?
>
> Why is it that wherever Vint Cerf hangs his hat these days...
> First Worldcom/con now google... Hmmmm.... :(
>
> Seems both sides of the political are together on this one...
>
> "The U.S. Government is questioning Google in relation to corporate
> behavior under anti-bribery laws. The government is also questioning
> Yahoo, Microsoft and Cisco about their dealings with the Chinese
> government. From the Red Herring article: "There is precedent for
> the U.S. government establishing laws governing the conduct of U.S.
> companies abroad. During 1977 the U.S. government enacted the Foreign
> Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA), which was substantially revised during
> 1988. The provisions of the FCPA prohibit the bribery of foreign
> government officials by U.S. citizens and prescribe accounting and
> record-keeping practices. Opponents of the law said it would severely
> restrict the ability of U.S. companies to compete in many countries
> where bribery was part of the commercial fabric." ats-tech wrote to
> give us the link to Google's response to these events, via the
> Googleblog.
>
> See:
>
> http
> //www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=15497&hed=Google+Meets+with+US+on+China§or=Regions&subsector=Asia
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INNER. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827