Re: [ga] lawyers

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dr. Dierker and all former DNSO GA members other interested
stakeholders/users,

Hummm?  Interesting response.  Unfortunately not entirely accurate as
to substance.

I believe Dr. Dierker that according to the recently signed
verisign/ICANN
agreement, domain names in .com will be going up significantly over the
next 7 years.  As such it seems a reasonable business decision for other

registries to follow suit at some point even if they do lag in doing so.

There are indeed more new TLD's than ever before, but is the few
that have been added, meet the demand or the free market?  No, if
the desire to have "Rounds" for adding new TLD's is a free market
approach than P.T. Barnum was right when he said: "lawyers are
like politicians, they all lie, they just do so with remarkable
dexterity".
Chew on that one for awhile...



Hugh Dierker wrote:

>    No clear agenda. I just read a position paper by a guy named howard
> dean and it surely had a lot of vitriolic stuff about how bad the USA
> is, but i did not see any agenda of his own. Hate this and hate that;
> is kind of a queer platform. I see the same here. Hate this and hate
> that but no new agenda.
>   Tunis proved that trying to be blind as to nasty thug dictators
> makes you look like a fool, how many reporters arrested, beaten and
> deported? guess what we don't even know because there is no freedom of
> the press or speech in Tunis. Yet that is where these world bodies
> hold meetings because they hate the USA?
>   Just then move it to hating ICANN. Why. Because there are now more
> gTLDs than before?, Because the price is going down on domain names?.
> Because the internet is more accessable every day to shoeshine boys
> and grandparents and schools? Because untold millions will make untold
> billions from it this year? I do not see the downside folks. Just look
> at the work Karl has told us he is doing. Look at the openness and
> transparency Danny created just by asking. Look at the huge progress
> made in the world of ccTLDs.
>   These things were made possible by allowing ICANN to exist in the
> only country in the world that leaves some things alone. We don't tax
> it, we don't regulate it and most important we don't own it. Quasi
> governmental or not, ICANN is run by a bunch of internationally found
> dudes and dudettes doing the best the can and flying around the world
> on a horribly limitted budget and enjoying exotic locations. What
> could be better? Do you really expect the starving masses to rise up
> in a coalesced rebellion against such splendor? Heck ICANN is not even
> a governing body but a coordinating one. Next you will want to execute
> your wedding coordinator because you got divorced after 10 good years.
>
>   ICANN must get to work on helping to set up standards (not enforce
> them) and to set up systems so they may benefit from the needs and
> wisdom of users. Thats all.
>
>   e
>
> Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   Jefsey and all former DNS GA members or other interested
> stakeholders/users,
>
> It is clear that from Jefsey's and Joop's comments and the tone of
> same,
> that their anti american tendencies are clear, but misrepresent the
> actual
> facts and/or at least are a personal view of the events and issues
> regarding
> ICANN's BoD makeup which is truly international. The fact that these
> BoD members were not elected by stakeholders/users does indicate
> . error in judgment on the part of DOC/NTIA. None the less these
> BoD members represent BoD seats and as such, have a responsibility
> that is either implied or actual to the stakeholders/users of the
> countries
> in which they are natives of as well as the stakeholders/users as a
> whole
>
> regardless of national origin.
>
> Tunis proved and settled nothing and mostly served as a sounding
> board for grievances that are in some instances legitimate and in
> others
> are not. So the circle has been formed yet again, the entrenchment
> of positions remains by in large, the same.
>
> It seems these days that anti-americanism has become popular
> sport for media and political types with little substance but with
> considerable disturbance. Such is not very productive if their
> arguments and issues are not substantive and addressed in
> a manner that provides for arriving at solutions. Yet, ICANN
> has been so entrenched in it's direction as to ignore many of
> what it knows are issues that need resolution, not more continued
> debate and discussion. The time is at least now, if not already
> gone to address and implement necessary changes in how ICANN
> works and whom it works for.
>
> M. Morfin wrote:
>
> > At 09:12 10/01/2006, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > >Maybe I'm naive, but I believe that the Clinton administration,
> > >possibly because it did not foresee the speedy growth in
> > >importance-for-everything of the Internet, was genuinely interested
>
> > >in devolving things like the IANA function out of its own hands and
>
> > >into the hands of an industry-led cabal in which it would retain
> > >sufficient influence. It was both in the Administration's and
> > >ICANN's interest to leave the question of where the buck ultimately
>
> > >stops as unanswered as possible.
> >
> > Joop,
> > you are not naive. You are not considering the national interests.
> > The Internet is the national packet switch network the USA missed.
> It
> > was established after the deregulation and benefited from the
> removal
> > of the national protections offered by the monopolies, as US trade
> > first benefited from the drop of customs rights. Because the USA
> > were a key piece of the world jigsaw. The difference between the
> > Democrat and Republican administration over international relations
> > and protectionism is immemorial. They both aim at the best US
> > interest in very similar ways under two similar flavors.
> >
> > Tunis clarified the things. The Internationalized Internet is the US
>
> > Global network, under the control of the USG through ICANN. RFC 3935
>
> > is clear about this which defines the role of the IETF. The Internet
>
> > is defined in the same way as by 47 USC 230 (f)(1) (the digital
> > ecosystem) and the role of the IETF is to "influence" those who
> > "design, use, manage" it. The Tunis deal gives the world and the USA
>
> > five, and more probably ten, years to converge their vision into a
> > Global Multinational System concatenating all the private, national,
>
> > regional, corporate, etc. networks through the International Network
>
> > to be discussed by the IGF. This results from the acknowledgment
> that
> > the US part is not anymore the core of the world jigsaw.
> >
> > Will this succeed? I do not know. But it has the merit to clearly
> > state that ICANN is an US International Agency in charge of an
> > International US System. That ICANN is welcome to share into the
> > IGF. That we will see progressively the emergence of several
> > International National Network Systems. If they merge into a single
> > International Network we will have cross-connectivity, otherwise we
> > will have balkanization.
> >
> > IMHO the only way we can avoid balkanization is to accept that the
> > core of the network is not anymore the USA, but also not anymore the
>
> > other States, but the user. A really long way to go for the
> IAB/IETF,
> > for ICANN and work ahead for developers.
> >
> > jfc
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827