Re: [ga] Karl's comments at the 2003 Senate hearings on allocation systems

["kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, as I said, there will always be songbird.com for those that want a
hobby, but even many government websites now have adsense code built into
their websites. Gov sites are generally for information, I'm sure you would
agree, however, economics has also reached them.

And if the DoC doesn't oversee ICANN, who oversees the Internet as much as
anyone ever will, which branch of government does? You gloss over the fact
that the Internet was placed under the control of the department of commerce
simply because it backs up what I said about the Internet being a tool of
commerce.

I back up my comments about the way people "think" of their domain names and
websites by having had hundereds of clients over the years who tell me what
they "think" of their domain names and website. I read articles by people
who say what they "think" of their domain names and websites.

As far as how you like to think about them, I refer to your website,
songbird.com and to what the about us page tells me.

Songbird provides information and network services, including low cost Web
service, network consulting, and custom web applications.
Songbird is set up to best serve small to medium sites -- home pages for
individuals, artists, and small businesses -- especially small
Internet-based businesses. We offer extensive support for individuals doing
web development for others.

Rates for web page development and consulting contracts are negotiated on a
case-by-case basis. See our rates for hosting web pages, and similar
services.

So, you have an "advertisement" on the web. Your website is about selling
your services. Funny thing is, your website just proved my point.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "kent crispin" <kent@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Karl's comments at the 2003 Senate hearings on allocation
systems


> On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:42:40PM -0500, kidsearch wrote:
> > Hello Kent. I notice you picked the pieces you wished to comment to and
> > ignored others.
>
> Didn't know that there is a law that says I have to address every point
:-)
>
> In any case, the other pieces were covered by what I said: talking about
> whether the Internet is primarily commercial or not is a red herring.
>
> > Like, the Internet is overseen by the DoC as in "commerce"
> > not as you suggest the equivalent of the DoT as in transportation and
> > infrastructure.
>
> The DoC doesn't "oversee" the Internet, to start with....
>
> > Some people like to think of having a domain name as real estate, as
their
> > store, their space, their home on the web, etc. For some it's a great
way to
> > share information and for them it is their home or space on the web.
> >
> > But for most, it's an ad. An advertisement to sell their products.
Nothing
> > more, nothing less.
>
> I would be interested in knowing some numbers to back up your statements.
> Perhaps you could tell me your methodology for determining how people
"like
> to think" about their domain names? Start with me -- I have a couple dozen
> names registered -- tell me how I like to think about them :-)
>
> I just did a google search on "dogs and cats" (it's raining cats and dogs
> outside my window).  None of the pages on the first result page looked
> primarily commercial to me.
>
> Most were primarily informative -- there may well be a *component* of
> advertising involved, but in fact, *information* is the coin of the realm.
> If a page doesn't provide good information, it is worthless as
advertising --
> search engines won't find it, no one will link to it, etc.
>
> > Economics will always shape the way things are to be,
>
> Nice glittering generality, though I believe that Karl Marx said it
> before you.
>
> Anyway, I've got lots of work to do, so I better get back to it...
>
> Best Regards
> Kent
>
> -- 
> Kent Crispin
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