Re: [Ecommerce] Re: [ga] RE: WSIS Working Group

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dr. Deirker and all,

Execellent observations and remarks here Eric.  Thank you.

Hugh Dierker wrote:

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> Thank you to Marilyn and Izumi,
>
> I reserve judgment on whether or not undertaking such a very important task (as we now see it in 20/20 hindsight ;-} should have been handled so casually. For an organization to grow in a healthy regard, better record keeping and archiving is essential so we can learn and reference on what worked and what did not. Also we are a bit of an odd duck, ICANN that is, and with no record it becomes impossible to be open and transparent and therefor impossible to be bottoms up.
> If I am not mistaken the gov. members of the WSIS are career diplomat types. It is unfair to send in the folks mentioned into this den of extremely well trained "statesmen", especially without a full staff and complete briefing on what each was after. Somehow I get the impression that ICANN thinks this is all informative and not with an eye toward dismantling ICANN.
> Does it seem strange to anyone that one of the biggest criticisms of ICANN is it's lack of representation of stakeholders and there was no "Forum" for public participation in this. And if you think this was missed by the gov. reps. think again.
>
> e
>
> Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Danny and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
> stakeholders/users,
>
> I gather from Danny's indirect remarks in response to Marylyn's below
> that the ambiguity of her answer to Danny's direct question is an
> indication
> that no such archives actually exist and/or were any such open and
> transparent discussions had ever taken place. Which is the real case
> I suppose we will never know or be able to verify and/or document
> accurately. This is both unfortunate and troubling but not uncommon
> given ICANN's history.
>
> BTW, one of our members could not locate the documentation to
> which Marilyn is referring to nor any such archives as Danny has
> requested of same.
>
> Danny Younger wrote:
>
> > Hi Marilyn,
> >
> > Thank you for the input. I guess that when I see the
> > term "Working Group" I usually expect to see a
> > discussion forum that in the ICANN spirit of
> > transparency is publicly archived and covers several
> > months worth of commentary.
> >
> > On such a Working Group discussion list I would expect
> > to see comments, debate and discussion right up until
> > the start of the Summit that reflects the convergence
> > of views on the part of ICANN participants.
> >
> > >From your reply I would gather that no URL is
> > available for discussions that may have transpired
> > since Mar del Plata, and that the Working Group has no
> > fresh commentary that it will be having introduced as
> > an intervention into the WSIS process.
> >
> > --- Marilyn Cade wrote:
> >
> > > The discussions/presentations/statements [whatever
> > > we call them] in the
> > > ICANN meetings were real time transcribed, and are
> > > available. Is that what
> > > you are looking for? The group also developed and
> > > posted a short statement
> > > as guidance to the ICANN board and staff, and
> > > distributed it in MdP. That
> > > should be on the ICANN web site, as well.
> > >
> > > Regards, Marilyn
> > >
> > > At 09:11 05/11/13 -0800, Danny Younger wrote:
> > > >I'd be interested in seeing the archived
> > > discussions
> > > >of the WSIS Working Group (at least during the last
> > > >six month period). Can anyone point us to a URL?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Hugh Dierker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Upstairs here at the ICANN.org site they have a
> > > > > nifty little statement;
> > > > >
> > > > > ICANN at the World Summit on Information Society
> > > > > Stakeholders from many of ICANN's bottom-up
> > > > > partnership structures have participated in the
> > > WSIS
> > > > > process. Key representatives from these groups
> > > have
> > > > > organized a WSIS Working Group, through which
> > > > > several sessions on WSIS have been held at ICANN
> > > > > meetings. ICANN will participate in the second
> > > Phase
> > > > > of the WSIS, and attend the Tunis summit.
> > > > > Learn More about ICANN at WSIS
> > > > > 11 November 2005
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Which brings you to some stuff that includes
> > > this;
> > > > >
> > > > > Who Will Control the Internet? | Foreign
> > > Affairs,
> > > > > November/December 2005
> > > > > Foreign governments want control of the Internet
> > > > > transferred from an American NGO to an
> > > international
> > > > > institution. Washington has responded with a
> > > Monroe
> > > > > Doctrine for our times, setting the stage for
> > > > > further controversy.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not written factually at all using words
> > > like
> > > > > "want" and "setting the stage for further
> > > > > controversy". And note the term "Washington" as
> > > > > opposed to ascribing the position to
> > > individuals.
> > > > > This is the basis for plausible denial on ICANN
> > > > > members behalf. While the data is very
> > > informative
> > > > > the slant in which this info is relayed tells me
> > > > > that many at ICANN are hedging their bets so
> > > that
> > > > > they keep their job either way the wind blows.
> > > > >
> > > > > e
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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> Regards,
>
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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obediance of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Contact Number: 214-244-4827