Re: [ga] ICANN Staff Tells ALAC How to Vote

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, it's all inside the system, and ALAC only exists at all within the
terms dictated by the system. ALAC can be closed down at any time. ICANN
created ALAC and ALAC belongs to ICANN.

To that extent, ICANN can do anything it wants with ALAC, but they cannot
say that ALAC belongs to individual users. Individual users aren't even
allowed to belong. ALAC has no mandate from individual users.

As Jeff says pertinently, those who were invited to join ALAC, chose to join
the ICANN "Club".

The nearest we got to true representation for individuals, by individuals,
were the At Large directors who were elected by individuals, not chosen by
ICANN. But these representatives were expelled from the ICANN Board.

You can only belong to the ICANN "Club" if you accept their terms. They make
the rules.

The purpose of the rules is to perpetuate the ICANN "Club".

Richard Henderson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>;
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Staff Tells ALAC How to Vote


> Eric and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
> stakeholders/users,
>
>   If ICANN=ALAC and ALAC=ICANN as Richard argues quite well
> and with entirely valid premise, than the ALAC like its former failed
> predecessor, the ALSC, is not legitimately representing any and all
> interested stakeholders/users in a open, bottom-up, and transparent
> manner. And so Eric, yes it certainly does matter...  Why you might
> ask?  Well, because in short, and for one fundamental reason, by
> design it violates good governance practices for openness and
> transparency...  The ALAC appears to myself and all of our
> members to be an auxiliary to the ICANN "Club"...
>
> Hugh Dierker wrote:
>
> >    Elections in Iraq under Hussein. Americas votes without Indians,
> > women, Hispanics or Blacks.
> > USSR elections. North Korean elections. Richstag(sp) elections. Cuban
> > elections. South African Apartheid elections.
> > As long as these had or have no impact upon us, who cares?
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > Richard Henderson <richardhenderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Since ALAC is a creation of ICANN, only exists as long as ICANN
> > chooses it to exist, and is made up of people invited by ICANN...
> > since ALAC is ICANN's own committee, and is entirely dependent on
> > ICANN for its existence... since ICANN finances ALAC's travel and
> > hosts ALACs webpages... since ALAC was only set up to face-save after
> > the ICANN Directors were expelled... since ALAC is part of ICANN:
> >
> > Isn't it entirely logical that ICANN should meddle and define what
> > this ALAC will say and do and be?
> >
> > This ALAC is not a real At Large. It is ICANN.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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