Re: [ga] Re: New mailing list: icann-people.

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Richard and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,

  Well most of us that have been around for a number of years  before
you were active in these forums Richard, have witnessed many of our
French Stakeholders/users from .nic.fr to be dismissive all too frequently
and in many instances, unjustifiably.  However given the current and now
fairly long term ongoing  political climate between France towards
US stakeholders/citizens as well as stakeholders/citizens of the
United Kingdom, it comes as no real surprise to yet again read more
of the same old nonsense from our fellow stakeholder/user, Stephane
Bortzmeyer.

Richard Henderson wrote:

> Stephane
>
> What archives?
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/
>
> No archives have been published since April
>
> I find it disappointing and almost offensive that you dismiss the GA list
> when in fact it has at least remained 'open', and I and others have
> earnestly and seriously attempted to make informed comments and ask
> challenging questions. It doesn't take long to sift through the spam and
> junk, and speaking personally I have spent hundreds of hours preparing posts
> to this list because I believe in *open* dialogue.
>
> These same posts have been taken seriously at ICANNWatch where they have
> been accepted for publication, at Circle ID, on various blogs, and by Miriam
> Sapiro who produced the recent NewTLDs Evaluation report (we exchanged about
> 25 e-mails and many of my inputs were partial transcripts of messages I
> first posted on this GA list.)
>
> The GA list had continued to be an archive of various and sometimes opposing
> views of ICANN's policies... until the archive was cut off in April.
>
> ICANN has a history of dismissing critical opinion, and avoiding open
> dialogue. Over 2 years after submitting concerns to ICANN about NewTLD
> process (points now picked up on by Miriam Sapiro), and re-submitting them
> direct to Paul Twomey, I have never received even an acknowledgement of
> receipt.
>
> That is the kind of organisation you are dealing with.
>
> In such a context, I believe the GA list has at times provided a focus for
> dissent and legitimate critical opinions and concerns.
>
> So I feel that you are being too dismissive, Stephane.
>
> The real issue is not the junk and spam, but ICANN's opaque operations,
> ICANN's evasion of openness, ICANN's lack of mandate, ICANN's expulsion of
> elected At Large members from the ICANN Board, ICANN's willingness to
> preside over abused processes, ICANN's craven subservience to USG, ICANN's
> relationship with vested interests, ICANN's symbiotic relationship with
> related participants in the DNS industry.
>
> A list controlled or cut off at will by ICANN (or Thomas Roessler) is hardly
> sufficient bastion against ICANN's repeated top-down autocracy.
>
> But the GA-list has, at least, provided a focus at times for critical
> opinions and divergent views.
>
> Yrs,
>
> Richard Henderson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <bortzmeyer@xxxxxx>
>
> > Read the archives of the GA mailing list for, say, one year.

Regretful and saddened regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
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