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Re: [ga] Domain Registry of America - Domain slamming
- To: "Gregg L. DesElms" <gregg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, icann-board@xxxxxxxxx, jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx, rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [ga] Domain Registry of America - Domain slamming
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:34:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>Gregg and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> eNom has recently, very recently improved. But they were rated
#1. largely due to the removal </P>
<P>of botnet command & control centers - in particular the infamous Zeus
botnet their rating droped</P>
<P>to #7, which is an improvement at least, yet still far to high to be
continued as an "Accredited"</P>
<P>ICANN Registrar, IMO.</P>
<P>See:http://sitevet.com/db/asn/AS21740 and
here:http://hostexploit.com/ which I had already posted </P>
<P>to the GA forum some days ago now...</P>
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<GREGG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Oct 20, 2010 2:06 AM <BR>To: "Jeffrey A.
Williams" <JWKCKID1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, icann-board@xxxxxxxxx,
jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx, rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx, steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Cc:
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<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><U>Jeffrey A. Williams wrote</U>: <EM> As I
responded to Karls post on this subject thread, it is </EM></FONT><FONT
face="Courier New"><EM>VERY unlikely that ICANN officials including the SSAC
will be taking any action in respect to 'Domain Registry of America's'
questionable activities anytine soon, if at all.. Same is true for eNom
and ThePlanet.com, ect., ect., </EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"><U>Gregg DesElms's reply</U>: What has eNom
done wrong?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New"></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jeffrey A.
Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=gregg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:gregg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Gregg L. DesElms</A> ; <A
title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ;
<A title=icann-board@xxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:icann-board@xxxxxxxxx";>icann-board@xxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx href="mailto:jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx";>jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx</A> ;
<A title=rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx";>rod_beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=OIG@xxxxxxx href="mailto:OIG@xxxxxxx";>OIG@xxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>ssene@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A title=gwen@xxxxxxx
href="mailto:gwen@xxxxxxx";>gwen@xxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=robert.smith1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:robert.smith1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>robert.smith1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Domain Registry of America - Domain
slamming</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>Gregg and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> I encourage you to send this information seperately on to your state
and US representatives</P>
<P>in Calif. post haste. Perhaps filing with the FTC would be in order
too with the information</P>
<P>you so kindly provided regarding 'Domain Registry of America' below.
They can be reached</P>
<P>via email at <A
href="mailto:complaint@xxxxxxx";>complaint@xxxxxxx</A> . As I
responded to Karls post on this subject thread, it is</P>
<P>VERY unlikely that ICANN officials including the SSAC will be taking any
action in respect to</P>
<P>'Domain Registry of America's' questionable activities anytine soon, if at
all.. Same is true for</P>
<P>eNom and ThePlanet.com, ect., ect., </P>
<P><BR><BR><BR> </P>
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MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: "Gregg L. DesElms"
<GREGG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Oct 18, 2010 4:46 PM <BR>To: <A
href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> <BR>Subject: [ga] Domain
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I suspect this is an old subject; and that if it
hasn't been talked about here, then it's certainly well-known and has been
talked about likely by the members of this very list many times
elsewhere. And so maybe I'm years behind and all that I'm about to write
will seem just stupid to some.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>But of all the lists where people should be talking about it
-- and maybe trying to actually DO something about it -- one would think
it would be a place like this. Maybe I'm wrong.
However, </FONT><FONT size=2>with apologies to those who think this is a
dumb subject about which none of us either can or should do
anything...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...does anyone know why Domain Registry of America
(DROA.COM) is still able to do what it does even after the recent Canadian
ruling, and... well... for those who aren't up to speed, start by quickly
reading this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> <A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Registry_of_America";>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Registry_of_America</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...and then think back on all the times you've received a
letter in the mail from these guys offering to renew your domain name(s) as if
they were your registrar and had an actual right to so do.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>In only mention it because, yes, I just got another
one...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...and as I was looking at it -- and, of course, not being
sucked-in by it, but thinking about all the people who no doubt still are -- I
couldn't figure out why DROA has been allowed to keep doing this for so
many years. I don't know why I thought, when I read about the Canadian
ruling, that maybe it would slow or stop, but... well... I just don't get
it. Am I THAT naive? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The BBB gives DROA an "F" rating...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> <A
href="http://bit.ly/94M9vn";>http://bit.ly/94M9vn</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...but, o</FONT><FONT size=2>f course, any more, that's no
more meaningful, in some ways, and at some BBB offices, than an "A" rating
since the BBB doesn't really exist to help consumers as much as it exists to
help its members... but still, BBB-wise, it doesn't get any worse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>DROA says on its web site that it's a reseller for an
ICANN-approved registrar, but won't name it. However, from WHOIS look-up,
it appears to be:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> BRANDON GRAY INTERNET SERVICES, INC.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> DBA NAMEJUICE.COM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> 7<FONT size=2>100 Warden Ave, Unit
8</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=2> Markham ON, L3R 8B5
CA</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=2>
+1.9054152681</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=2>
+1.9054152682</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=2><FONT size=2>
<A></A>registrar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><BR sab="98"></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Who's Brandon Gray, and why does he allow one of his
resellers to so behave? Or does he own/operate DROA; and so am I just
asking stupid questions, here? But if he IS complicit, then why is ICANN
allowing it (or is that the most stupid qustion of all)?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>What has to ultimately happen to finally stop these
creeps?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I mean... I know that it's been going on for so long, and
that there are so many other scams out there that are more
serious...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...but it's that kind of apathy that I worry may be why these
people can get away with this with at least SEEMING impunity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I see a lot of people talking on the Internet about it being
a scam...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> <A
href="http://bit.ly/cgOcGe";>http://bit.ly/cgOcGe</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>...but there seems to be no groundswell of consumer
protection revolt against these guys. Does everyone just not care that
much? Has it all been happening for so long that everyone has just given
up on worrying about it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Thoughts? Criticism? Name-calling?
Anyone?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><BR>_____________________________<BR>Gregg L. DesElms<BR>895
Jackson St., #319<BR>Napa CA 94559-1321</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>PHONE: 1-877-383-5148<BR> FAX: (206)
984-1288<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>EMAIL: <A
href="mailto:gregg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>gregg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> CARD: <A
href="http://tinyurl.com/deselms-card";>http://tinyurl.com/deselms-card</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,<BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over
300k members/stakeholders and growing, strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the
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with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of
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L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L
multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v.
Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
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214-244-4827<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>
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