RE: [ga] RE: GA irrelevant

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Roberto and all,

  My comments and remarks interspersed below...


-----Original Message-----
>From: Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: May 25, 2010 4:10 PM
>To: karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Cc: 'GNSO GA Mailing List' <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: RE: [ga] RE: GA  irrelevant
>
>
>Karl,
>
>> 
>> I'm not familiar with that joke .. (that's a slight nudge to 
>> get you to tell us. ;-)
>
>Sure. But it needs a bit of explanation of the cultural environment in
>Naples.
>You might know that in Naples the most important saint is San Gennaro, who
>is believed to make miracles. And that people in Naples are known for
>playing games like "Lotto", where you have to guess the numbers that will be
>extracted, and if your guess is correct, you win x times what you have bid.
>So, a guy prays San Gennaro to win at the "Lotto", and he does that
>continuously, for several weeks. One day, he complains bitterly to the
>Saint, reproaching him that he never made the miracle to let him win, and
>suggesting that after all he was not that good as a Saint. At this point,
>San Gennaro was a bit fed up, and replied: "You could at least play once!".

  Ah yes, well my experiance with Naples itself is of a rather run down
city with allot of history and interesting ambiance.  See Naples and die.
Well I have many times, and I still live but can I suppose die with the
peace of knowing I've seen Naples.  >:)
>
>The point was that we can reproach the Board for not approving a Registrants
>constituency, but maybe we should at least write a charter before
>complaining.

  VERY GOOD point Roberto!  I think this group needs a lowly
scribe. Perhaps Eric would 'volunteer'? >:)
>
> 
>> 
>> (I imagine you reading this having a cup of good coffee while 
>> enjoying the kind of nice spring weather we are having here 
>> on the edge of the
>> Pacific.)
>
>Not at all. Winter is still the owner of the place here in Vienna.
>
>
>> 
>> Getting down to business..
>
>I see your point that registrants who are not domain owners are also a
>proper constituency.
>I fully agree. However, the way I see it, there is a matter of priority. The
>policy for the deployment of new TLDs is being decided now, and registrants
>are, IMHO, more impacted than users, and should be acting now.
>This said, there is nothing that prevents both groups to create
>constituencies, what I would not advise is to wait to form one until the
>other is also ready, because to wait will not help anybody.
>I skip the parts on which we have some agreement to go to the one on which
>we disagree:

  The more TLD's, ICANN's or otherwise, the better or marrier IMO.  However
there should be care taken to the extent that such TLD's do not promote
or suggest bad behavior, such as .XXX for instance.
>
>> 
>> The board of directors of ICANN need not wait for a concrete 
>> proposal; rather it could write a simple resolution that 
>> recognizes that domain name registrants appear 
>> under-represent within ICANN, expresses a corporate desire to 
>> remedy that under-representation, and says that it desires 
>> concrete proposals, each accompanied by a roster of 
>> supporters, to be submitted for board consideration by 
>> such-and-such a date.
>
>In theory, you are perfectly correct.
>However, in practice, we do have a process now to establish a constituency
>in the GNSO, which foresees the compilation of a charter and the
>presentation of a petition. If registrants (or plain users) do not do this,
>I would argue that we are in a situation similar to the one of asking San
>Gennaro to win at the Lotto without even playing...

  Other 'Constituencies' exist outside of ICANN and some are strong and
have growing memberships.  The 'Need' to patition ICANN may be in some
registrants or non-registrants/users interests IF the patition they 
submit is accepted without bias or other particular considerations
on the front end.  IF NOT, than perhaps the interest of such patitioners
becomes far less intense or fades away entirely.  End result, no new
Constituency.  Still one has to try first, than decide later or find
out that some independant registrants and/or non-registrant/users are
far less interested as did our INEGroup members did with all of the
now existing 'Constituencies', leaving the new constituency essentially
nutered for dubious reason(s).  Yet a risk that perhaps 'should' be taken?
>
>;>)
>
>Roberto
>
>
>

Regards,

Jeffrey A. Williams
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