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Re: [ga] YES Virgina - there is a monitor on the GA, and rules ....
- To: Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [ga] YES Virgina - there is a monitor on the GA, and rules ....
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:03:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>Dr. Joe et., al.,</P>
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<P> ROFLMAO! Aptly put sir...<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Joe Baptista
<BAPTISTA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Apr 6, 2010 10:54 PM <BR>To: John Palmer
<JPALMER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: [ga]
YES Virgina - there is a monitor on the GA, and rules .... <BR><BR>I am monitor
and Hugh Dierker is the Chair. We don't know if we have the power to enforce
the rules since Debbie Garfield, Garside (?) and ICANN did the tango. I guess
like ICANN were a legacy appendage.<BR><BR>If you would like an answer please
direct your question to ICANN staff or the high flying fighting
Ombudsman.<BR><BR>Cheers<BR>Joe Baptista<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:48 AM, John Palmer <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is getting tiresome. Joe has been told many
times that Karl Peters has verified that Tom and I are two</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>different people. Joe continues to create this
fiction because it suits his purpose, which is, as far as I can</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>tell, to disrupt communities that are trying to
actually create solutions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, if there are no moderators anymore, let me
issue a THREAD STOP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please.stop.threat.thx.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial;
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font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B> <A title=baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank>Joe Baptista</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank>abel wisman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 03, 2010 8:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Re: OT: another moment with John Palmer All
Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S. (was Re: OT -
a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The bad spelling from Thomas Baxter (a.k.a. John Palmer) is
intentional. Some time back Mr. Palmer told us his alternate personality had a
very heavy Slavic accent. So I guess to keep up the pretense the bad spelling
is an attempt at an ASCII version of a Slavic accent.<BR><BR>Now we could stop
this nonsense immediately if the GA rules were enforced. But considering what
happened here some time ago in which the rules were abused by ICANN staff I
have very little hope of that. But we can try. Your welcomed to make a
complaint to the Chair if you wish.<BR><BR>kindest regards<BR>joe
baptista<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:10 AM, abel wisman <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>abel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2>If you have to send all this nonsense to
this maillist, can you please have the common decency to use a spell-checker
and not use words that you have no clue on how to spell to begin
with?<BR><BR>Best of course woule be if you refrained from posting any of this
rubbish.<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From</B>: <A><BR>WHY SHOULD ANY PERSON TRUST ANY
INFORMATION YOU SAY, JOE INCLUDING YOUR PARA NOID RAVINGS<BR>REGARDING HERMAN
XENT?????????????????<BR><BR>The way a lot of persons see the issue re Europe
in around 2005 is that you did a deliberate sabatage when<BR>it looked like
I.N.S. would actually succeed and you know the whole industry died off after
your stabbed it<BR>around the heart.<BR><BR>Sorry crackpott, but very few
people think that this is only by accident. <BR><BR>I think (and do do many
peoples and companies, including some sovern goverments) that you did this
<BR>on purpose to kill the chances of competition for icann are the person that
does not have much credibles. <BR><BR>I think you are paid from icann. You dont
seem to have more visible supports and live with street people in <BR>a po dunk
town in Ontaio. You called Karl a welfare bumb once - but what are you but even
worse because<BR>at least Karl is an honest religion person with a nice family
who tries hard. <BR><BR>You, you are just a sell-off and trator. <BR><BR>Sorry
that the facts are pain, but there it is and all readers of experince know this
to be real.<BR><BR>Thoms.<BR></A>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joe Baptista <<A
href="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> Thomas Baxter <<A href="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> POST-TO GNSO LIST <<A href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Fri, April 2, 2010 10:23:48 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: OT: another moment with John
Palmer All Joe does is destroy - show me his positive aspects in the I.N.S.
(was Re: OT - a moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root
servers)<BR></FONT><BR>Dear Mr. John Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter:<BR><BR>I
think it's an innovative approach sliming me while you market your services -
but let's try to remain focused here. Your trying to sell people on using your
"free" root services. My only question is - why should anyone trust you John
Palmer or your alternate personality Thomas Baxter to provide them with DNS
services?<BR><BR><SPAN>I would trust OpenDNS and even some of the OpenNIC
servers for DNS. But I would never trust a man like John Palmer who leaves me
psychotic messages <A href="http://bit.ly/5KxboD";
target=_blank>http://bit.ly/5KxboD</A> ???</SPAN><BR><BR>The provisioning of
public DNS services "free" or "pay" is all about trust. Would you not agree Mr.
Palmer a.k.a. Thomas Baxter. So once again I ask a simple question. Why should
we trust you?<BR><BR>regards<BR>joe baptista<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Baxter <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt
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<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">I dont
see selling any root services here - the serverces are free to anyone <BR>if
they want to just change their dns settings in their
computer.<BR><BR><SPAN><SPAN>You can get access to stuff you dont have now like
the <A href="http://lion-mail.net"; target=_blank>http://lion-mail.net</A> which
offers spam free</SPAN></SPAN><BR>private e mail and looks like you can win a
new apple i pad by June 30 too. <BR><BR>This is one benefit that the I.N.S.
should publisize - because not many people have<BR>changed the dns settings,
spammers cant get spams to your I.N.S. email addies. <BR><BR>But Joe, you are
probably paid from icann to sabatage the I.N.S. This is true or<BR>you are
sychotic, one of the two must be true. So you shouldnt throw rocks<BR>at
people who tried to make stuff work, like John and Bradley and Herman Xennt.
<BR><BR>As much as I can tell, you have never created any values at all, all I
see from reviewing<BR>your posting on the internet from day zero is destruction
from you.<BR><BR>Show us all what you have built in the I.N.S. - (I can
hear crickets chirpping...).<BR><BR>Thoms.<BR>
<DIV> </DIV>BAX! Names Allentown<BR><SPAN><SPAN><A
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Joe Baptista <<A
href="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> Thomas Baxter <<A href="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow>baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, March 31, 2010 7:16:28
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: OT - a moment
with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers<BR></FONT><BR>I'm not
the one selling root services here. You and your primary personality Mr. Palmer
are the ones using this forum to sell root services. So I ask you again the
question you have avoided answering - why should we trust you Mr.
Palmer?<BR><BR>regards<BR>joe baptista<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Thomas Baxter <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt
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<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">Oh, so
you have better root to use, then - please let us all know the ips of the
servers and we<BR>will look in at it and see how much better. Oh, dont waste
your time with recomending ICANN roots. t<BR>They are leaving out 90 percents
of the TLDs<BR>
<DIV> </DIV>BAX! Names Allentown<BR><SPAN><SPAN><A
href="http://www.bax-names-allentown.com"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.bax-names-allentown.com</A></SPAN></SPAN><BR>Computer
setup, training, software and services<BR>Coming soon: BAX-Mail - free web
email under the BAX TLD.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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york,times,serif"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2></FONT>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
Joe Baptista <<A href="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> John Palmer <<A
href="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>> </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Mon, March 29, 2010
7:43:10 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> OT - a
moment with John Palmer Re: [ga] censorship among root servers<BR></FONT>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Just to repeat my warning. Anyone willing to hand over resolution to
WorldRoot or INAIC (a.k.a. Public-Root) is playing with fire.<BR><BR>Once again
John I ask you the questions I asked earlier. Why should we trust you or Herman
and his posse to provide us with DNS service?<BR><BR>Incidentally - who is this
Herman chap. Does Herman have a full name :)<BR><BR>John I ask you to remain
focused on the discussion. More discussion on the topic and less advertisements
if you don't mind.<BR><BR>cheers<BR>joe baptista <BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:30 PM, John Palmer <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is what happens when you rely on one root
server network. This kind of thing is bound to happen. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>If you were using WorldRoot (<A
href="http://worldroot.net"; target=_blank>http://worldroot.net</A>) or
PublicRoot (<A href="http://www.public-root.com";
target=_blank>http://www.public-root.com</A>), you
would</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>not be having so many problems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My posse and I and Herman and his group of
engineers have been providing alternatives for years,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>in spite of Joe's best efforts to destroy our
work. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We're still here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Our roots are still available.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And we have many more TLDs than ICANN.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Try <A href="http://lion-mail.net"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>lion-mail.net</A> yet? You should. Works like a charm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#888888></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial;
-moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding;
-moz-background-inline-policy: continuous; font-size-adjust: none;
font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B> <A title=baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow>Joe
Baptista</A> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow>Hugh
Dierker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank rel=nofollow>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
title=andrewm@xxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:andrewm@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Andrew McMeikan</A> ; <A title=rod.beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:rod.beckstrom@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank rel=nofollow>Rod
Beckstrom</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:41 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] censorship among root servers</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Hugh Dierker <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Andy,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is it possible that this censorship and suppression of the people is a
good thing for the rest of us?
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<DIV><BR>Hugh - we don't yet know what happened. And ICANN has been silent. It
could be anyone behind this. I have seen some supporting evidence claiming it
was the Chinese. But I won't put much reliance on that evidence. The claim is
that a gateway in China did this. We know the Chinese run their own root
independent of ICANN. Maybe this was just an accident and a faulty gateway
leaked the China DNS. It could be
anything.<BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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