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Re: [ga] UPDATE DARPA wants military to replace TCP/IP with new "Military Network Protocol"
- To: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>, Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [ga] UPDATE DARPA wants military to replace TCP/IP with new "Military Network Protocol"
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:11:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>Eric and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> I share some of your skeptitisim, but still would like for this
research project to be successful</P>
<P>despite how it may be used or misused if successfuly developed. I also
am skeptical of what </P>
<P>the cost may end up being when the Legacy Internet is usable and safely so
with some modifications</P>
<P>especially to DNS itself. Secondly try not to forget that the public
Internet will still be used</P>
<P>by the Military for the Troops to communicate with their families and loved
ones even if</P>
<P>a new Internet for military and Security Agencies business is specially
developed and deployed.</P>
<P> </P>
<P> BTW, some branches of the military are already using a newer network
protocol...<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff
2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker
<HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Oct 18, 2009 10:46 AM <BR>To: Joe Baptista
<BAPTISTA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: Accountability Headquarters
<GA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Re: [ga] UPDATE DARPA wants military to replace
TCP/IP with new "Military Network Protocol" <BR><BR>
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<DIV>To tell the truth Joe I actually am pleased with this development. I
have two reasons:</DIV>
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<DIV>DARPA is supposed to do goofy shit. That is why I pay them the big bucks.
I want to see a real well documented model of segregation. Of course the
concept will fail. I want concrete evidence of why. I want the big boys
spending billions on a theory that has help make ICANN worthless. But I also
think that in this routine they will show us ways that gtlds outside ICANN will
simply have no problem interfacing and discoursing with ICANN protected and
promoted models. Then it will show the world it is political and not
practical.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think this models failure will help to bring out what many of us social
scientists have be saying all along. The more we segregate military
personel from the real world the more we have a disconnect between the violence
of war and human social reality. If they are not fully integrated at the most
root level then they begin to operate on a second plain tier that allows for
sefl justification and atrocity. We know commanders and chiefs are not amoung
us and so can think on different levels of social conscience, but seperating
further the foot soldier from mom and dad and neighbor and friend will result
in diminished social norming by military.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 10/18/09, Joe Baptista
<I><baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Re: [ga] UPDATE DARPA wants
military to replace TCP/IP with new "Military Network Protocol"<BR>To: "Hugh
Dierker" <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: "Accountability Headquarters"
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 6:39 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Hugh Dierker <SPAN
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<DIV>This line is the one that got me -- <BR>
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<DIV>David Reed said "justification for MNP reminds him of the <B>days when
countries justified having different railroad gauges to prevent
invasion."</B></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Yes that's an excellent comment that puts it all into perceptive.
Basically "security through obscurity". While I support and understand security
through obscurity it won't work here. MNP does not fix the problem - it only
creates a new untested protocol for hackers to hack. It's more of an incentive
to hack.<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Read more on MNP ... <A href="http://bit.ly/4BGiP2"; target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://bit.ly/4BGiP2</A><BR></DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>regards<BR>joe
baptista<BR><BR clear=all><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>
<P>Regards,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. -
(Over 294k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the
greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go
with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of
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L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L
multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v.
Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir.
1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated
1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good
standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>Phone:
214-244-4827<BR></P></ZZZBODY></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>
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