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Re: [ga] List Rules, moderator and chair
- To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [ga] List Rules, moderator and chair
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:55:53 -0700
Eric and all,
Yes the RAA-WG and which ever server it resides/lives technically
speaking has a miss set clock and when recieving Email from that
list server, it can reset your Email clients clock or your PC's system
clock as well. I just re-adjusted/reset mine to the proper DATE,
the time of day was fine.
That said, as to the list rules again, I again reiterate my previous
statement in response ( see below ). And it seems to me that it
is the duty of the chair to call for a new election, Mr. GA prime
minister/chair. And yes we have a voting mechnisim...
Hugh Dierker wrote:
>
> Just saw this as I was looking over some RAA-WG docs and noted it was
sent via a clock that was broke. A guy named Walsh once told me, "you
know you have an openminded engineer if he can take advice from a
clock as to what time it is". You are an antagonist. Your generally
rational logic fails when you come to creation. (got you -- not
Darwinian) But the creation of a process. By its' very nature the
originating or founding process cannot be legitimate in the sense you
use the word. How possibly could a creating process be created using
that process? Everything must have a beginning. And the beginning of a
process is perfectly legitimate if it is reached by a consensus of the
founders. ie there was no democratic vote for the declaration of
independence creating a democracy or constitutional process for the
drafting of the constitution. So your obsessed objection to our
founding rules is misplaced. How can we have a "legitimate" vote until
we have founded a process to have a vote? Until you or a protagonist
motivate enough to overrule the founding rules they are
legitimate.Debbie is right, we have rules. And it appears that Ms.
Garside and I will enforce them until replaced. For clarification see
Plato's Republic. or Roberts' rules of order --- On Tue, 4/7/09,
Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] List Rules, moderator and chair
To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Joe Baptista" <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
domains@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John
Palmer" <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Paul Lehto"
<lehto.paul@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 7:25 PM
Eric and all,
I added another whom is as far as I know, not a list member
yet, but hopefully he can add some levity and wisdom to the
discourse.
I am unsure if the reference as to antagonists and protagonists was
for anyone's particular interest, however I did take interest yet
remain unsure if I and either a antagonist or a protagonist. I
believe I possess the best qualities of both and can at will, shift
from one to the other in the interest of encouraging broadening
thinking processes of all. Call it a credit default discourse swap,
if you will, as I am sure a characterization of a Naked Short
Sell, would be too close to being overly familiar and that the
word "Naked" will soon be illegal to use on the Internet under
new criminal legislation being considered, and as I understand
it one of either the MPAA or RIAA members has a Copyright
and a TM filed on the use of that term ( Naked ), which doubtlessly
is related to some video book and written works which is under some
challenge of which I cannot elaborate on adequately as I and not
familiar enough with the case and it's progress or lack there of. >:)
All this said, as originally I remain stalwart that the list rules
are not legitimate as they were not arrived at in a legitimate
manner originally as well as the list rules are far less to helpful
to outreach, which should be important as to transparency
and openness.
Hugh Dierker wrote:
>
> (the xtra recipients have a reason for inclusion of antagonists and
protagonists) Ladies and Gentlemen, Some dude with a middle name
Hussein made an off physically challenged remark on Leno's program.
Before it aired, he reached out to the leader of the offended and they
agreed to make a teaching moment out of the problem.(the middle name
part is to recognize that some of us like them, ie eric hugh
dierker) Perhaps here we can accomplish several good objectives out of
this situation; Shed some light on the core programs, good, bad or
indifferent.Once again, try to bring this list up a notch in
efficacy.Outreach and become even more available to netizens from
varied backgrounds and persuasions. So that we may stand on principles
rather than personalities, until we have volunteers otherwise, we will
move with our standing Debbie and Joe as moderators and myself as
chair, but we will step aside as warranted and Joe will have a recusal
on the moderation of the current consideration of bad taste. As Debbie
reiterated for us. We do have list rules. Unless the us uproar against
it, we will make effort to again enforce them. Glenn, thanks for all
you do, and ... forewarned is forearmed, this may lead to
something. Reminder on the rules of communication with the chair,
anything you send to me privately will be respected, anything I send
to you is fair public domain game -- not even a copywrong claim.
--- On Wed, 4/8/09, Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] List Rules, moderator and chair
To: hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Palmer"
<jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 7:26 AM
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Hugh
Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
John, Jeff and Joe (J3) Gentlemen the list
participants determined, basically by apathy, that
the GA would be rudderless. There are rules. There
are list moderators. There is a chair. However
there was radical and gross opposition to such
structure as arguably not enough participation was
forthcoming to support legitimacy. So you are SOL.
OK .. thats a pity.
I suppose you have options. I will lame duck
moderate for you. In which case a stern shame on
you is in order as defamation would not be in
order for the stating of what are clearly
opinions. However I reckon I could twist some arms
and get someone suspended for the sake of civil
discourse..
Well - I have no problem with that.
You could gather ten list votes, non confidential,
to reinstate our list rules and I will act as
chairman for a short duration for a new election
to take place. You would need to provide voting
and polling booths.
I can do that. In fact I would prefer that we ensure the
list rules are reinstated. I'm sure I can come up with 10
people - no problem. Maybe Mr. Palmer can come up with five
and i'll bring in the other five.
For the purpose of determining who are the electors here I
maintain a list of electors at URL:
http://www.publicroot.org/GA-Electors/index.html
For the purpose of this vote and in accordance with Section
8 ELECTION AND FUNCTIONS OF THE CHAIR found in the RULES OF
ORDER AND PARTICIPATION FOR THE MAILING LISTS OF THE GENERAL
ASSEMBLY OF THE GNSO, the following are allowed to vote.
Date Enumerated / Email Address / Total Posts
06 Apr 2007 / cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 28
06 Apr 2007 / kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 39
06 Apr 2007 / dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx / 194
06 Apr 2007 / bashar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 21
06 Apr 2007 / jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 480
06 Apr 2007 / hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx / 311
06 Apr 2007 / jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 97
06 Apr 2007 / gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx / 59
06 Apr 2007 / dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx / 21
06 Apr 2007 / jnevett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 12
06 Apr 2007 / froomkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 6
06 Apr 2007 / karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx / 62
06 Apr 2007 / terastra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 34
06 Apr 2007 / baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 133
06 Apr 2007 / tim@xxxxxxxxxxx / 8
06 Apr 2007 / enoss@xxxxxxxxxx / 8
06 Apr 2007 / narten@xxxxxxxxxx / 42
06 Apr 2007 / gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 60
06 Apr 2007 / sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 43
06 Apr 2007 / andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 33
13 Apr 2007 / domains@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 59
13 Apr 2007 / veni@xxxxxxxx / 17
27 Apr 2007 / edward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 10
01 Jun 2007 / konrad_brandt@xxxxxxxxx / 5
22 Jun 2007 / roddixon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 3
22 Jun 2007 / faia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 13
29 Jun 2007 / debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 121
29 Jun 2007 / roberto@xxxxxxxxx / 38
29 Jun 2007 / kim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 8
13 Jul 2007 / avri@xxxxxxx / 11
13 Jul 2007 / bortzmeyer@xxxxxx / 20
20 Jul 2007 / elisabeth.porteneuve@xxxxxxxxxxxx / 7
20 Jul 2007 / somitho@xxxxxxxxx / 15
17 Aug 2007 / kstubbs@xxxxxxxxxxxx / 6
7 Sep 2007 / mike@xxxxxxxxxx / 5
28 Sep 2007 / significants@xxxxxxxxx / 5
5 Oct 2007 / ross@xxxxxxxxxx / 29
5 Oct 2007 / peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 14
5 Oct 2007 / tlda@xxxxxxxxxx / 5
18 Jan 2008 / jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 1254
18 Jan 2008 / dominik.filipp@xxxxxxxx / 140
18 Jan 2008 / gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx / 135
18 Jan 2008 / domains@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 68
18 Jan 2008 / roberto@xxxxxxxxx / 60
18 Jan 2008 / jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 131
18 Jan 2008 / karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx / 82
18 Jan 2008 / gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 119
18 Jan 2008 / debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 158
18 Jan 2008 / baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 216
18 Jan 2008 / andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 37
18 Jan 2008 / froomkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 7
18 Jan 2008 / narten@xxxxxxxxxx / 104
18 Jan 2008 / kent@xxxxxxxxx / 9
18 Jan 2008 / sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 62
18 Jan 2008 / peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 15
25 Jan 2008 / michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 9
25 Jan 2008 / ross@xxxxxxxxxx / 35
25 Jan 2008 / bashar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 24
25 Jan 2008 / tlda@xxxxxxxxxxx / 14
25 Jan 2008 / bortzmeyer@xxxxxx / 27
25 Jan 2008 / terastra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 45
15 Feb 2008 / dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx / 280
15 Feb 2008 / cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx / 33
15 Feb 2008 / significants@xxxxxxxxx / 6
15 Feb 2008 / peter@xxxxxxxx / 19
1 Feb 2008 / tlda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 51
8 Feb 2008 / jeff.neuman@xxxxxxxxxx / 12
8 Feb 2008 / edward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 16
8 Feb 2008 / jaap@xxxxxxxxxxxx / 8
22 Feb 2008 / baxtertms@xxxxxxxxx / 12
22 Feb 2008 / avri@xxxxxxx / 13
7 Mar 2008 / chris@xxxxxx / 47
28 Mar 2008 / shane.kinsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx / 8
28 Mar 2008 / jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 13
4 Apr 2008 / elisabeth..porteneuve@xxxxxxxxxxxx / 13
4 Apr 2008 / hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx / 349
4 Apr 2008 / jnevett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx / 16
27 Jun 2008 / glen@xxxxxxxxx / 91
27 Jun 2008 / richardhenderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx / 8
25 Jul 2008 / enoss@xxxxxxxxxx / 10
Probably you should just recognize that certain
elements within this list do not want it organized
and there is not enough support to override those
elements. Therefor suck it up, try to be nice and
meanwhile grow some thick skin.
I understand. The GA however is very important to the
inclusive name space and as such I would strongly recommend
anyone on the GA who is also in the INS support this move to
reinstate the rules.
regards
joe baptista
p.s. and lots of XOXOXOXO to you too Hugh.
XOXOXO
--- On Tue, 4/7/09, John Palmer
<jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: John Palmer
<jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive
Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service
-LionMail(tm) has been launched
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 5:04 PM
Slander is a violaton of list rules. I
have made a formal complaint to the list
moderator, both about Mr. Baptista's
messages but alsoabout Mr. Williams
slanderous domain remarks as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Baptista
To: Jeffrey A. Williams
Cc: jp@xxxxxxxx ;
abuse@xxxxxxxx ; DHS cert ;
DHS security alert ; John
Palmer ;
hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx ;
ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; DHS info ;
GAO sec Greg Wilshusen ; FTC
IP marketplace comments ; FTC
OIG's office ; ICANN SSAC ;
ICANN SSAC Dave Piscitello ;
Steve Crocker ; Paul Levins ;
Cheryl Preston ; 2nd address
Cheryl Langdon-Orr ; Avri
Doria
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009
5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The
Inclusive Namespace now has a
real E-Mail Service
-LionMail(tm) has been
launched
Well the HEX is one big legal
scam and John is a major part
of it. An operative of
sorts. You can check his
association out here.
(false on both accounts)
--
Joe Baptista
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