Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive Namespace now has a real E-Mail Service-LionMail(tm) has been launched

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John and all,

  Both are wrong, Google/Yahoo, and yourself.  That's the overall
point but one that is far to often missed, over looked, or denied
for various reasons.  Either they/you clean up their acts, of face
the consequences.  Google and Yahoo are now in various ways,
yet they remain recalcitrant.  So be it, they will slowly die on the
vine or the FTC/NSA will be forced to shut them down or
marginalize them.

  What finally most peoples of the world have learned is that
a regulation free or self regulating world does not work well,
if at all.  I was never under the dubious belief that self regulation
works over the long haul as history has so many times demonstrated.
This leaves governance and unfortunately governments to fill the
void and regulate.  I don't like massive regulation as often times
it is over done or not equally enforced.  I prefer targeted and
minimal regulation, but regulation that is flexible, reviewed often,
and fairly/equally and strongly enforced.  A daunting task indeed,
but doable if diligence and men/women of good conscience are
vigilant in their duties including the regulated.

John Palmer wrote:

> Hold on just a minute: Someone points dnsstuff.com at the WRONG domain
> (Not the one that has anything to do with e-mail at all), and it comes
> upwith some lame complaints about some TTLs being outside of some
> range on the WRONG domain, and then when I point thisout, you jump all
> over me for correcting the error that Jeff Williams (a Baptista
> synchophant) makes? And that makes me stubborn/condescending how? I'll
> translate for you: All of those involved in this thread (running the
> bogus dnsstuff query, and then jumping on me when Icorrect your facts)
> are interested in seeing the INS fail. OK, do I get to take a shot at
> you now? Lets see - Why are you using a yahoo account? What are you
> trying to hide?Why should we trust you? Yahoo accounts (like GMAIL)
> are used by spammers and 419 scammers... Sound unfair? How do you
> think you sound to me?
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Hugh Dierker
>      To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; John Palmer
>      Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:42 PM
>      Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive Namespace now has a real
>      E-Mail Service -LionMail(tm) has been launched
>
>
       Dear John, I got this gal who lives right off Pennsylvania
       ave in DC. She kind of is in the thick of things there. She
       has worked some sticky pol. campaigns. Bright as hell.
       Picked up a dual major BS in poly sci and pr, got a fancy
       Masters in PR and international law or something, all of it
       Cum laudee dah. Part of the Amer. Uni system there. She has
       a knack for making people like who they want to hate. Stays
       in the background, loves a darkhorse. Point is. She don't
       need you but you need her. Your style of public relations
       can only lead to an abysmal martyrdom. I would not even
       wager on your chance in hell of making your program work
       with your condescending, everyone else is an idiot
       attitude. Any further advice will cost ya. But I reckon your
       too stubborn to ask for it.

       --- On Mon, 4/6/09, John Palmer
       <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

            From: John Palmer
            <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
            Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive Namespace now
            has a real E-Mail Service -LionMail(tm) has been
            launched
            To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
            Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 3:53 PM


            Nope - Lion-Mail.net is configured exactly as its supposed to be. 
The ignorant
            tool
            at dnsstuff.com doesn't know what its talking about.

            Of course there are no MX records for Lion-Mail.net - you aren't 
supposed
            to send
            mail TO the Lion-Mail.net domain - E-Mail addresses for Lion-Mail 
are in the
            ..LION TLD. www.lion-mail.net is only a crutch portal for people 
who still
            haven't configured their machines to use an INS resolver.

            As for SPAM, LionMail has a zero tolerance for spammers and 
terminates accounts
            of spammers
            immediatly. We have outbound as well as inbound spam filters.

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
            To: "Stephane Bortzmeyer" <bortzmeyer@xxxxxx>; "ICANN
            Policy staff" <policy-staff@xxxxxxxxx>; "ICANN SSAC"
            <ssac@xxxxxxxxx>; "ICANN
            SSAC Dave Piscitello" <dave.piscitello@xxxxxxxxx>; "Steve
            Crocker" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
            Cc: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "icann legal"
            <jeffrey@xxxxxxxxx>; "Paul Levins"
            <paul.levins@xxxxxxxxx>; "DHS info" <info@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
            "FTC IP marketplace comments" <IPMarketPlace@xxxxxxx>;
            "FTC OIG's office" <OIG@xxxxxxx>
            Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:01 AM
            Subject: Re: [ga] Re: The Inclusive Namespace now has a real E-Mail 
Service
            -LionMail(tm) has been launched

            >
            > Stephane and all,
            >
            >  The problem with Gmail is that it is a spam perliforator
            > extrodinair.  I suspect so is lion-mail.net.
            > I do see that lion-mail.net is a DNS disaster. See:
            >
            
http://member.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnslite.php?r=homepage&domain=lion-mail.net
            >
            > and
            >
            
http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=lion-mail.net&token=12504cd81a964e092f54639635bf8019
            >
            >
            >
            > So yes Stephane, your point below is well taken!  >:)
            > Perhaps ICANN SSAC can find the initiative and garner
            > the effort to see to it that lion-mail.net get's it's act
            > together properly.  As usual for me, I am not holding
            > my breath in anticipation of such.
            >
            > That said, now wouldn't it be nice if nic.fr would be
            > so kind and considerate to the world if it would get
            > it's act together?  A novel idea I'm sure, and perhaps
            > even to hope so is a near miracle.  But I have faith.  >:)
            > See:
            >
            
http://private.dnsstuff.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=nic.fr&token=13e078b6394942dd2a84269300c3f019
            >
            > Yet I do see that some progress has been made sense I last 
checked.
            > However not quite there yet, eh?  >:)  Could it be that nic.fr is
            > waiting
            > for it's "Stimulus" check so as to be able to afford to make
            the obvious
            >
            > minor corrections?  >:/
            > Vive la France or let them eat cake?
            >
            > Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
            >
            >> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 07:19:15PM -0500,
            >>  John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
            >>  a message of 54 lines which said:
            >>
            >> > Check it out at http://lion-mail.net
            >>
            >> > LionMail is a low cost web based e-mail service
            >>
            >> Low-cost at $1/month while we have Gmail for free?
            >>
            >> But the best thing is the FAQ:
            >>
            >> > Most spammers use systems that do not know about the INS and
            >> > therefore they will not be able to reach you.
            >>
            >> The dummy TLDs are not reachable therefore you will receive less
            >> spam. That's something I never thought about :-)
            >

>

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