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RE: [ga] [Fwd: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Still more folk complainingaboutGoDaddy Transfer Policy Violations]

  • To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [ga] [Fwd: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Still more folk complainingaboutGoDaddy Transfer Policy Violations]
  • From: "Karl E. Peters" <tlda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:00:36 -0700

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font-size:10pt;"><div>Not to be a pain, but I have been reading this and many 
other Internet related lists for a long time. In that time, I have seen 
everything from conspiracy theories to personal anecdotes that imply serious 
problems at Go-Daddy, but even the most impassioned anecdote or accusation 
means very little until someone independently looks over the books and checks a 
few random private registrations for validity and confirms that every SLD held 
off the market under the pretense of private registrations does indeed have a 
legitimate and paying person behind it. When that is done, we may convict or 
exonerate with better certainty. Until then, we may call for investigation by 
an and all legal jurisdictions that apply, but we can not reasonably convict on 
what is known today.</div>
<div>-Karl E. Peters, President</div>
<div>Top Level Domain Association, Inc.</div>
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<div   >-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re: [ga] [Fwd: Re: 
[At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Still more folk <BR>complainingaboutGoDaddy Transfer 
Policy Violations]<BR>From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" 
&lt;jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Date: Sun, February 08, 2009 1:29 am<BR>To: 
"Karl E. Peters" &lt;tlda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Cc: Ga 
&lt;ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR><BR><BR>Karl and all,<BR><BR>Indeed evidence is 
necessary, and it has over time been provided<BR>publicly over and over again. 
Still, GoDaddy continues to be<BR>less than forthcoming in correcting their 
practices, and ICANN<BR>fails to support users/registrants that have been 
abused in such a<BR>manner.<BR><BR>"Karl E. Peters" wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; Jeffrey, 
Under the assumption that Go-Daddy is indeed playing with<BR>&gt; SLDs as you 
describe, your points are well taken. The option so<BR>&gt; heavily promoted 
when signing for an SLD with them, "private<BR>&gt; registrations" (though I 
think it should not be allowed, personally)<BR>&gt; requires that some legal 
authority be allowed to look at their books<BR>&gt; and those of their 
associated private registration company to see who<BR>&gt; really paid for 
those registration, if anyone, and if they are<BR>&gt; legitimately "owned" by 
real people or cleverly removed from the<BR>&gt; general market to extract a 
higher price through forced negotiation<BR>&gt; with an unpublished and only 
presumably real registrant. In short,<BR>&gt; there may be a lot one could 
string up Go-Daddy for, not to even<BR>&gt; mention their trashy 
advertisements, but there should be a vehicle to<BR>&gt; acquire real proof 
before condemning them publicly on<BR>&gt; assumptions.-Karl E. Peters, 
PresidentTop Level Domain Association,<BR>&gt; Inc.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; -------- 
Original Message --------<BR>&gt; Subject: [ga] [Fwd: Re: [At-Large] 
[NA-Discuss] Still more<BR>&gt; folk<BR>&gt; complainingabout GoDaddy Transfer 
Policy Violations]<BR>&gt; From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" 
&lt;jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt; Date: Sat, February 07, 2009 10:19 
pm<BR>&gt; To: Ga &lt;ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
All,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; As an FYI and a positive direction or 
solution.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; -------- Original Message --------<BR>&gt; Subject: 
Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Still more folk<BR>&gt; complainingabout<BR>&gt; 
GoDaddy Transfer Policy Violations<BR>&gt; Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:34:57 
-0800<BR>&gt; From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" 
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&lt;D175CB0A04FE634587DA0987F3C4231021F72234EF@iddawg.blacknight.local&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;
 Michele and all,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; My response interspersed 
below.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; 
Cheryl / Danny<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; GoDaddy is the biggest ICANN 
registrar<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Indeed it is.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; How likely is it that ICANN will take any action 
against<BR>&gt; them?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Not likely as the revenues that ICANN 
receives from GoDaddy<BR>&gt; are<BR>&gt; the most of any registrar. And the 
way and manner in which<BR>&gt; ICANN<BR>&gt; burns $$ they need GoDaddy too 
badly. Too big to fail, if<BR>&gt; you will...<BR>&gt; Sound/read 
familiar?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; What options are open 
to ICANN to take against them?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Several. But the best would be 
to de-accredit GoDaddy. A<BR>&gt; VERY unlikely action by ICANN. Next would be 
to find<BR>&gt; a white knight to come in and take over GoDaddy after<BR>&gt; 
requiring<BR>&gt; the owners and Sr. Executives of GoDaddy to resign<BR>&gt; 
immediately<BR>&gt; or be dis-accredited.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; The inter-registrar transfer policy isn't part of the 
RAA,<BR>&gt; is it?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; No, but the new proposed RAA has some 
provisions dealing<BR>&gt; with<BR>&gt; inter-registrar transfer. My questions 
are: what does ICANN<BR>&gt; propose<BR>&gt; to do for all those registrants 
that have been damaged by<BR>&gt; GoDaddy's<BR>&gt; miss-behavior? Will ICANN 
be financially compensating these<BR>&gt; registrants adequately, if at 
all?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Regards<BR>&gt; 
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