RE: [ga] Kamusi.com Domain

["Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for the clarification Tim.

As we have already contacted the email address as published in Whois, with
no response, it is doubtful that anyone will be able to contact the
owner(s).

Best

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
> Sent: 24 January 2009 16:04
> To: Debbie Garside
> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ga] Kamusi.com Domain
>
>
> Hi Debbie,
>
> The important part of the what the DBP support person said
> is, "...they [Go Daddy's Domain Buy Service] promise to do
> everything in their power to find the actual owner of a
> domain name," and "There are no guarantees that they will
> actually succeed in getting you the name." I am not sure
> where the implication that they would have access to the
> private data of DBP comes from. That certainly is not within
> "their power" to do.
>
> The Domain Buy Service was not established solely for DBP. It
> is a service offered by Go Daddy to anyone regarding any
> domain name they are interested in no matter where it is
> registered. For a DBP name they may send an email inquiry to
> the email address in the public Whois (an email address at
> DBP). DBP would forward that on to their customer (the
> licensee of the name). It is that customer's choice to
> respond to the Domain Buy Service broker or not.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Tim Ruiz
> Vice President
> Corp. Development & Policy
> The Go Daddy Group, Inc.
>
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [ga] Kamusi.com Domain
> From: "Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Fri, January 23, 2009 5:12 am
> To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi Tim
>
> Many thanks to you and others who have taken the time to
> respond to my email
> - it has been enlightening.
>
> I fully accept that GoDaddy.com and Domains By Proxy are not
> cybersquatting domain names. I will, of course, inform the
> Editor of the Kamusi blog in order that the blog may be updated.
>
> I also fully accept that there is a need for privacy in this
> world and that GoDaddy.com/Domains By proxy are offering a
> bonafide service.
>
> However, I cannot find any reference in your terms and
> conditions relating to allowing disclosure of third party
> information to GoDaddy.com in relation to a negotiation fee
> for the purchase of the domain should anyone contact them in
> this regard.
>
> Please note the paragraph in the Kamusi blog that states:
>
> "Kamusi.com is listed as belonging to a company called
> "Domains by Proxy."
> PK wrote to their address at the same time he wrote to
> Kazuya, but he never got a reply. After Kazuya wrote back, I
> thought I would give a call to Domains by Proxy. The man who
> answered the phone, who was quite pleasant, told me that
> Domains by Proxy is a holding company that exists to hide the
> real owners of a domain name. If the owners didn't want to
> reply to our email, he said there was no way he could get in
> touch with them on our behalf. However, he noted that the
> "registrar" for the account, the company that actually routes
> their traffic to the internet, is a big corporation called
> GoDaddy that specializes in domain names. He told me that
> GoDaddy has something called their "Domain Buy Service",
> through which you pay GoDaddy a fee and they promise to do
> everything in their power to find the actual owner of a
> domain name and make a bid for it on your behalf. There are
> no guarantees that they will actually succeed in getting you
> the name at a price you can afford, but they will at least
> make the effort and pocket the fee."
>
> For the "quite pleasant" man from Domains By proxy to suggest
> the GoDaddy.com service it would seem to indicate that
> Godaddy.com have access to the "private" information held by
> Domains By proxy and are willing to sell that to anyone
> prepared to fork out the fee.
>
> Doesn't seem quite ethical to me. Perhaps I am wrong but I
> cannot see how GoDaddy could possibly find information about
> the "true" registrant without Domains By Proxy giving it to
> them. I take it Domains By Proxy and GoDaddy.com are separate
> legal entities? Is this covered in the terms and conditions?
>
> Also, I think at the very least, GoDaddy.com/Domains By Proxy
> should draw domain name purchasers attention to the fact that
> Domains By Proxy are the legal owner of the domain name at
> time of registration - albeit that in the event of a dispute
> the Domains By Proxy terms and conditions state that the
> domain name may at any time be transferred to the "true"
> owner and their details made public via Whois.
>
> http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/popup/ShowDoc.aspx?pageid=domain
> _nameproxy
>
>
> http://domains.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/1145651.htm
>
> As a businesswoman I applaud the GoDaddy.com/DBP business
> model in this regard :-) As a domain name registrant and
> generally interested party I find some of this more than a
> little questionable. But then that is the way of the world
> and business - good if you can get it!
>
> I hope you will forgive my naivety.
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Debbie Garside
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
> Sent: 22 January 2009 19:51
> To: Debbie Garside
> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ga] Kamusi.com Domain
>
>
> Hi Debbie. FWIW,
>
> GoDaddy.com is not cybersquatting. Domains By Proxy is an
> affiliate of GoDaddy.com, but provides its own customer
> support. This is no secret and is a fact we have been clear
> about in public and with ICANN. We offer Domains by proxy's
> private registration services at GoDaddy.com just like we
> offer any of our other products and services:
> http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/dbp/landing.asp
>
> Domains By Proxy (DBP) was formed in response to customer
> demand for privacy. When a GoDaddy.com customer is
> registering a domain name, they may select the DBP service.
> DBP then becomes the registrant of record and DBP's contact
> information is used for the public Whois database. DBP then
> enters into a separate agreement with the customer wherein
> the customer retains all rights of domain name ownership. If
> the customer should ever desire to become the actual
> registrant of the name, they simply have to cancel their DBP
> service and they automatically become the registrant of
> record. This is a part of every DBP customer agreement. In
> addition, DBP's agreement with its customers is also very
> strict regarding Spam, IP infringement, and other illegal acts:
> http://www.domainsbyproxy.com/LegalAgreement.aspx
>
> You should know that Go Daddy has no more interest in a name
> registered privately through DBP than it does any other
> non-private domain name registration.
>
> Best regards,
> Tim Ruiz
> Vice President
> Corp. Development & Policy
> The Go Daddy Group, Inc.
>
> How am I doing? Please contact my direct supervisor at
> president@xxxxxxxxxxx with any feedback.
>
> This email message and any attachments hereto is intended for
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>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [ga] Kamusi.com Domain
> From: "Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, January 21, 2009 11:14 am
> To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Hi
>
> As many of you know, The Kamusi Project is under the umbrella
> of the World Language Documentation Centre.
>
> It would appear that http://www.kamusi.com was purchased at
> around the time that the Director of the Kamusi Project
> started investigating domain names (1997). It has had a
> holding page up for longer than the Director can remember.
>
> These links make interesting reading:
>
> http://kamusi.org/en/new_domain_name
>
> http://whois.domaintools.com/kamusi.com
>
> Can anyone shed any light on whether GoDaddy (or a
> subsidiary) are cybersquatting 7 million names as reported?
>
> Thanks
>
> Debbie Garside
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> PS Kamusi is Swahili for dictionary
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