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RE: [dow2tf] chart of WHOIS data elements

  • To: "Steve Metalitz" <metalitz@xxxxxxxx>, "Thomas Roessler" <roessler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [dow2tf] chart of WHOIS data elements
  • From: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGCRP" <mcade@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:11:45 -0500
  • Cc: "Barbara Roseman" <roseman@xxxxxxxxx>, <dow2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Dan Halloran (E-mail)" <halloran@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Sender: owner-dow2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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  • Thread-topic: [dow2tf] chart of WHOIS data elements

Okay, probably my LAST post of 2003 since I have to go celebrate like all sane people, the end of 2003 and the beginning of 2004. 

Steve, my thanks to you, too. I can see why yours are starting to cross! First, we all need LARGER PRINT. :-)

I promise to review both, TOMORROW, after I awaken... and may have comments THEN. 

Like Steve, I wish all a Happy New Year!


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Metalitz [mailto:metalitz@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:11 PM
To: Thomas Roessler; Cade,Marilyn S - LGCRP
Cc: Barbara Roseman; dow2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Dan Halloran (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [dow2tf] chart of WHOIS data elements

Thomas, thanks for taking the lead on this.  A few observations.

(1)  The chart does not reflect the full range of information contained in
the Whois ouput for some registries.  Please see a more comprehensive chart
attached.  (We hope it's accurate, but other eyes should check it -- ours
are starting to cross!)   This includes only registry Whois, i.e., not the
Whois output from registrars in com/net/org.  

(2)  .Name is missing from both charts.  There are two problems here -- one
is that .name has always had a multi-tiered system of Whois output, and
second, a change in that system was approved over a year ago but has not (to
my knowledge) ever been implemented. So we would need to decide how to
display this.  

(3)  It may be advisable to re-title the last three headings of Thomas'
chart as "registrant technical contact," "registrant administrative
contact," "registrant billing contact," because some other data with a
similar name is also available through Whois in some cases.  For example,
some "billing contact" data is available through the registry whois for .com
and .net, but it is the billing information for the registrar, not the

(4)  In double-checking .biz, .coop, and .museum regarding last transferred
date, we found a discrepancy in each appendix O/attachment 15 to the
registry agreement.  In each appendix, there is a description of the data
elements every record holds.  For all three, the Domain Record Output
description lists Last Transferred Date as a data element returned by a
domain name query.  However, in the example of whois output for a domain
query, last transferred date is NOT included. It only appears in the example
for a query on namerserver.  I noted this discrepancy with a double asterisk
in the chart.  An alternative would be to clearly state that the chart was
compiled from the examples in every registry agreement of what is returned
in a domain name query.  Then, note that there may be some discrepancies as
to what is actually described as being returned in the domain name record
for those same registry agreements, see e.g., last transferred date in
Appendix O for .biz, .coop, and .museum. There is a similar issue with "last
updated by" in .biz.   

(5)  As a matter of presentation, we might consider ways to focus attention
on the first column of Thomas' chart, since most of the discussion about
this issue has focused on registrar Whois in com/net/org -- this is where
most of the personally identifiable data is.   If constituencies are unable
to provide comprehensive responses, they should be encouraged to at least
respond regarding the items in the first column. 

Happy New Year to all!

Steve Metalitz 

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Roessler [mailto:roessler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 12:45 PM
To: Cade,Marilyn S - LGCRP
Cc: Barbara Roseman; dow2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Dan Halloran (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [dow2tf] chart of WHOIS data elements

On 2003-12-31 11:11:09 -0500, Marilyn Cade wrote:

> I have a question or two for you about what you mean by (coll)
> when you have "collected" in ( ). Does that mean that for the
> columns for the registries that are associated with Billing
> contact, that the data is collected but not shown for all of the
> fields under Billing Contact? 

These items refer to registrars, and to section 3.4.1 of the RAA:

	3.4.1 During the Term of this Agreement, Registrar shall
	maintain its own electronic database, as updated from time
	to time, containing data for each active Registered Name
	sponsored by it within each TLD for which it is accredited.
	The data for each such registration shall include the
	elements listed in Subsections through; the
	name and (where available) postal address, e-mail address,
	voice telephone number, and fax number of the billing
	contact; and any other Registry Data that Registrar has
	submitted to the Registry Operator or placed in the Registry
	Database under Subsection 3.2.

The billing contact is *not* part of the information that must be
made available through registrar WHOIS; see RAA 3.3.1.

> Also, .pro is blank under billing contact. Is the agreement
> silent on Billing Contact for .pro? 

In .pro's Appendix O, the billing contact does not show up;
technical and administrative contacts do.  See

PS: Happy new year everyone!
Thomas Roessler  <roessler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
At-Large Advisory Committee: http://alac.info/

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