[dow1tf] WHOIS tf 1 draft notes/minutes, teleconference 23 Dec.

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Attached please find the draftnotes/minutes of the WHOIS task force 1
teleconference, December 23, 2003.

Please let me know what you would like changed or added.

Thank you very much.

GNSO Secretariat
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<p align="center"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>WHOIS Task Force 
  1 Teleconference December 23 - Minutes</b></font></p>
<p><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">ATTENDEES:<br>
  </font></b></p>
<p><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">GNSO Constituency representatives:<br>
  </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">gTLD Registries constituency: 
  - Jeff</font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Neuman</font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 
  - </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Chair</font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
  </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">gTLD Registries constituency 
  </font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">- </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">David 
  Maher</font><b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
  </font></b><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Intellectual Property 
  Interests Constituency - John Wolfe<br>
  Intellectual Property Interests Constituency - Jeremy Banks</font> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 
  <br>
  Registrars Constituency - Paul Stahura<br>
  Non Commercial Users Constituency:- Milton Mueller<br>
  <br>
  <b>Liaisons:</b><br>
  At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) liaisons - Wendy Seltzer<br>
  <b>ICANN Staff Manager</b>: Barbara Roseman<br>
  <b>GNSO Secretariat:</b> Glen de Saint G&eacute;ry <br>
  <br>
  <b>Absent:</b></font><br>
  <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Commercial and Business Users constituency:- 
  David Fares<br>
  Commercial and Business Users constituency:- Marilyn Cade</font><br>
  <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Internet Service and Connectivity 
  Providers constituency: - Antonio Harris<br>
  <br>
  <b>Administrative Issues:</b></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">1. <b>Jeff Neuman</b> referred to 
  the notice from the GNSO Council chair concerning alternate representation from 
  one constituency. The chair of each task force should be given the discretion 
  to take advantage of the availability of alternate members for the purposes 
  of providing factual information, whilst ensuring that each constituency expresses 
  their particular opinion/viewpoint on the policy issue under consideration through 
  a single representative during any single call or physical meeting.<br>
  <b>Jeremy Banks</b> form the Intellectual Property Interests Constituency would 
  be the primary person speaking on the call.<br>
  2. Caution should be taken with blogging as the public looks at it. Jeff Neuman 
  expressed mixed feelings about whether task force opinions should be reflected 
  in blogs.<br>
  3. The minutes of the task force 1 teleconference held on Tuesday 16 December 
  would be approved at the next meeting.<br>
  <br>
  <b>Deadlines</b> </font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">1) December 23, 2003: Dissemination 
  by ICANN of all WHOIS workshop materials related to specific issues <br>
  <br>
  <b>Barbara Roseman</b> reported that links to material from past ICANN meetings 
  and DNSO/GNSO web pages. <br>
  <b>Jeff Neuman </b>remarked that the materials should be used by the second 
  sub group, John Wolfe, Jeremy Banks, David Fares and Wendy Seltzer to do the 
  chart.<br>
  <br>
  <b>December 23, 2003: Identification of non-marketing groups that use Whois 
  Data. </b><br>
  <b>Jeremy Banks and John Wolfe</b> posted a <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/dow1tf/msg00023.html";>list 
  of non-marketing groups.</a><br>
  The groups were characterized as mixed, Search firms, websites that allowed 
  you to do your own looking up, downloadable client allowing for a large number 
  of users. In general they covered sites and services that were and could be 
  used by Intellectual Property interests.<br>
  <br>
  <b>Wendy Seltzer</b> posted a <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/dow1tf/msg00024.html";>non-marketing 
  group list</a> and responses from <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/dow1tf/msg00021.html";>Ben 
  Edelman.<br>
  </a><b>Paul Stahura</b> posted a <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/dow1tf/msg00019.html";>list 
  of non-marketing entities and suggested questions</a> <br>
  <b>Jeff Neuman</b> requested some information from the academia world.<br>
  The purpose was to collect as much possible information from the non marketing 
  groups through the questions that would be sent out.<br>
  <b>Jeff Neuman</b> noted that there was a lack of: <br>
  - non US groups<br>
  - law enforcement groups<br>
  <br>
  <b>Jeff Neuman</b> proposed combining all the links into one list after all 
  the responses were received.<br>
  Notes should be sent to all the constituencies to find groups to send the questions 
  to that would be drawn up by the task force. <br>
  <b>5 January extended deadline <br>
  </b><br>
  "Needs and justifications" chart due (compiled from pre-existing data) <br>
  Name of the group which submitted material or who made the statement</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Needs and justifications:</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Needs for Whois data in general<br>
  If they have made a statement on port 43 or bulk access, if port 43 went away 
  could they achieve the same things by using the web based WHOIS<br>
  </font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>Address the second question:</b><br>
  Soliciting comments on "technical measures adopted for preventing data mining" 
  <br>
  What technical means are there for registrars and registries to prevent data 
  mining assuming that port 43 is kept open, assuming that there is a web based 
  WHOIS, what is the feasibility of the technical measures and what costs would 
  be involved to the registrars and registries if they were to implement these.</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>Paul Stahura suggested </b>some 
  questions and referred to an article in <a href="%20http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?articleID=00053EA7-B6E8-1F80-B57583414B7F0103&amp;catID=2)%20">Scientific 
  America.</a><br>
  <b>Milton Mueller</b> suggested having documentation on the impact on the registrars 
  and registries and could this be correlated to the volume that is being imposed 
  on the registries.<br>
  <b>Paul Stahura</b> made the point that it was difficult to where mining was 
  taking place. <br>
  <br>
  <b>Jeff Neuman summarized:</b><br>
  </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">assume the WHOIS consists of 
  &quot;x&quot; data, assume data must be made publicly available, the task is 
  to figure out how to make that data available and prevent data mining.<br>
  </font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>For next meeting January 6, 2004</b></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">- Sub Groups should start working 
  <br>
  <br>
  </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>Group 1 &quot;Note going 
  out for non-marketing uses&quot;</b><br>
  David Fares<br>
  Milton Mueller</font><br>
  <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Paul Stahura<br>
  Barbara Roseman<br>
  <br>
  <b>January 5, 2004: Draft note<br>
  </b><br>
  <br>
  </font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b> Group 2 &quot;Workshop 
  material: start chart of needs and justifications&quot;</b><br>
  John Wolfe<br>
  Jeremy Banks<br>
  David Maher<br>
  Wendy Setltzer<br>
  <br>
  <b>January 6, 2004:</b> brainstorm and start charts based on materials from 
  workshops and ICANN. <br>
  </font></p>
<p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>Jeff Neuman thanked everyone for 
  their presence and participation and ended the call at 16:50 UTC.<br>
  <br>
  </b> <b>Next call: Tuesday 6 January 2004, </b> <b>16:00 UTC, 11:00 EST, 8:00 
  Los Angeles, 17:00 CET.<br>
  <br>
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  </b></font></p>
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