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RE: [dow1-2tf] Moving forward on "conspicuous notice"?

  • To: "Milton Mueller" <Mueller@xxxxxxx>, <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [dow1-2tf] Moving forward on "conspicuous notice"?
  • From: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGCRP" <mcade@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:35:04 -0400
  • Cc: <roessler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <dow1-2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <metalitz@xxxxxxxx>, <tom@xxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Thread-topic: [dow1-2tf] Moving forward on "conspicuous notice"?

As to your question, Milton, there are different reasons why someone wants to 
use a domain name, and indeed it is possible that a business, or an NGO, or non 
profit might decide to use a name, registered to someone else, but "loaned" to 
them as usable space. Some may view that it may not be the best practice unless 
the "user" has an agreement/contract in writing, since they will be making an 
investment on the content, and counting on maintaining the access to the name 
space, however, I would not be surprised to hear about such models. 

Tim's posting was informative and I think we would all benefit from hearing 
more from him. 

However, just on a personal contribution I can make, but Maggie might elaborate 
on, many ISPs provide web pages for use by their registrants, without the 
registration of a domain name. The AT&T consumer ISP provides several web pages 
for use by their subscribers.  Many others do as well.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Milton Mueller [mailto:Mueller@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 5:51 PM
To: tim@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: roessler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; dow1-2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
metalitz@xxxxxxxx; tom@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [dow1-2tf] Moving forward on "conspicuous notice"?


Please explain to me how you can "have a domain name"
without registering it through an ICANN-accredited registrar.

Your message rather naively implies that the "caveats and
responsibilities" associated with a domain name were 
created by God or the laws of physics. I'm sure you know
better than that. They were imposed by ICANN accreditation
contracts. ICANN has a monopoly over the root, and, due
to the dominance of certain interest groups over ICANN
policies, it uses that monopoly power to impose certain 
conditions on registrants. 

In short, you are not "choosing" the responsibilities
and caveats, they are imposed on you. Ask your lawyer
what a "contract of adhesion" is and you'll understand
what I'm talking about.

>>> Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx> 10/3/2004 12:00:52 PM >>>
Not that I'm not somewhat sympathetic to your argument, but it doesn't
really hold water. Becoming the actual registrant of a domain name does
has certain *caveats* attached, if you will. However, it is not the only
way to have a domain name, make use of it, or have a web site. You have
choices. If you choose to register the name as your own, you are
choosing the responsibilities and caveats that come along with it.

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