Re: [council] Moving ahead on the GAC communique

[Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jonathan,

thanks for picking up the discussion thread. My draft was intended as a 
straw man to poke holes in and get the ball rolling, so to speak.
Essentially it is all about how the process looks that will be followed 
on this matter.
I assumed that the GAC will continue to direct its messages and advice 
to the Board, and while the GNSO has the ability to review it, it would 
be helpful if we get a request from the board to do the review of where 
the advice intersects with policy, if only to have a proper chain of 
process in place.
So basically, I tried to answer what the basis is for the council to 
launch a review of a document not directed to the council. We may also 
chose to initiate such an analysis on our own as the Commuique likely 
touches upon our area of responsibility, but I felt it would be better 
to have a stamp of approval and formal request from the board.
In 2, your version works as it leaves open the format of our response, 
but I am not sure who the adressee of our response should be. I assumed 
it would be the board, with notification to the GAC as an optional 
component. But the other way round is also a possibility.
Best regards,

Volker




Am 08.12.2014 12:40, schrieb Jonathan Robinson:
> Volker,
>
> Please can you help me (us?) understand the thinking behind the following:
>
> 1."The ICANN board informs the GNSO council about the Communique ...  "
>
> 2."The GNSO council deliberates input and drafts a letter to the ICANN 
> board including a proposed response to the GAC ... "
> In 1 above, I realise that you said this could be optional. I am not 
> sure it is necessary.
> In 2 above, I wonder if it should be along the following lines:
>
> The GNSO council deliberates input and drafts a proposed response to 
> the GAC including preparing a copy of the proposed response to be sent 
> to the ICANN board.
> Thank-you
>
> Jonathan
>
> *From:*David Cake [mailto:dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* 05 December 2014 00:19
> *To:* Volker Greimann
> *Cc:* Council
> *Subject:* Re: [council] Moving ahead on the GAC communique
>
> On 4 Dec 2014, at 8:32 pm, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> I agree that any and all affected WGs [should/need to] be the first 
> stop on our path to determining policy impact, however in some 
> scenarios this may prove impractical:
> - the advice does not touch upon existing policy, i.e. would require a 
> new policy making process; or
> - the advice touches upon existing policy that was created in the dawn 
> of times (so to speak), so the original WG members are no longer 
> available in sufficient numbers to advise the council.
> Absolutely. Existing WGs should be consulted on matters that concern 
> them, but that will not cover all issues.
> Of course, there will also be elements of the GAC Communique which do 
> not concern the GNSO directly, and that we do not need to comment on 
> at all.
> Regards
>
> David
>
>
>     Our process should have a clear path for all situations to ensure
>     a quick turnaround.
>
>     We may also want to reach out to the Policy and Implementation WG
>     as they may have discussed elements of the puzzle we may find
>     useful for this endeavor as well.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Volker
>
>     Am 04.12.2014 03:01, schrieb David Cake:
>
>         Thank you Volker for kicking this process along.
>
>         I very much agree that input from Constituencies is valuable,
>         but should be with reference to the existing policy process.
>
>         I do think we should have a step in the process where we
>         directly ask for input from all working groups that are
>         referenced (directly or indirectly) by GAC advice. While we
>         are working on more direct interaction between the GAC and
>         WGs, when they are discussed in the GAC Communique we should
>         respond on behalf of the GNSO, and of course such response
>         should be in full consultation with the WG concerned.
>
>         David
>
>         On 4 Dec 2014, at 5:15 am, Volker Greimann
>         <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>         wrote:
>
>
>
>         As discussed during the last council meeting, one of our
>         action items is for the Council toexamine ways in which the
>         GAC communiqués can be channeled through the ICANN Board to
>         the GNSO Council where they can be analyzed for possible
>         policy implications arising from the recommendations, and
>         where the GNSO Council can report back to the ICANN Board with
>         a proposed method of responding to the communiqué and
>         initiating policy work if there be a need.
>
>         In the discussion, alightweight and informal process was
>         proposed where a call for topics would be put out to the
>         various GNSO constituencies and stakeholder groups and these
>         would be sent in the form a letter by the Council, within 30
>         to 60 days upon receipt of a GAC communiqué, to the Board
>         responding to that communiqué.
>
>         As a framework for discussion, the following steps are suggested:
>
>         1) GAC publishes its communique
>         1b) optional: The ICANN board informs the GNSO council about
>         the Communique and requests an analysis of the communique for
>         issues that touch upon ongoing or new policy work
>         2) 1st post-meeting council session: The Council deliberates
>         the GAC communique and instructs councillors take the
>         communique to their stakeholder groups and constituencies for
>         analysis of whether and if so how the communique touches upon,
>         complements or contradicts existing policy, whether it impacts
>         ongoing policy work or whether it suggests the initiation of
>         new policy work. This review should exclude any opinion on
>         such policy and be limited to the analysis whether policy
>         would be affected and therefore should be obtainable within a
>         turn-around time of 2 weeks.
>
>         3) 2nd post-meeting council session: The GNSO council
>         deliberates input and drafts a letter to the ICANN board
>         including a proposed response to the GAC
>
>         Potential responses could be:
>         - Council recommends initiation of new policy work based on
>         GAC advice
>
>         - Council recommends informing the GAC that [suggestion] has
>         been deliberated during previous or ongoing policy work and
>         has been [accepted/rejected/partially accepted] by the community
>
>         - Council recommends revisiting prior PDP to analyse and
>         deliberate the impact of suggested advice on existing policy.
>
>         - Council advises Board that existing policy already covers
>         [suggestion] and [suggestion] is a mere question of
>         implementation of said policy
>
>         I am shooting from the hip here to put up a straw man, so if
>         anyone would like to add to these suggestions or suggest a
>         different approach, the floor is yours.
>
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