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Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair


Hi


'motion passed by majority'

is  'a bare fact'

Please do not indicate that this is requesting a spin.

thank you

avri

On 16-May-14 08:55, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
> Thanks Avri & Volker,
> 
>  
> 
> Good points and I’ll work with you to remedy in this case if possible
> and ensure that it is dealt with in future.
> 
>  
> 
> I was sensitive to the point, but when expressing it in words in a draft
> of the letter, it felt to me as if I was putting a spin on it so I
> backed off and reported the bare facts.
> 
>  
> 
> Note that, with this issue in mind, was the reason I referred the reader
> to the fact that a full discussion had taken place and that a record of
> that was available.
> 
>  
> 
> “Full records of the discussions and the detail of the issues raised
> therein are available to the NGPC, or other interested parties, through
> mail archives, meeting recordings and transcripts.”
> 
>  
> 
> Not quite as clear as you may have liked I do understand but I was aware
> of the subtleties and sensitivities here and attempted to reflect them.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Jonathan
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* 16 May 2014 12:56
> *To:* Avri Doria; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
> 
>  
> 
> Agreed. We should make it a point to clearly deliniate the votes in each
> communication to the board in the future, i.e. not only include the
> complete voting record, but also who voted how.
> 
> In some cases, we may also want to allow the dissenting groups to
> include a dissenting opinion with the submission of the motion.
> 
> Volker
> 
> Am 16.05.2014 13:44, schrieb Avri Doria:
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     BTW I m glad Alan brought this up.  At the time I was displeased
>     that the letter did not give the vote count, but was distracted and
>     did not say anything at the time.
> 
>     It allows the reader to assume that it was passed by a large margin,
>     or even super majority as most things sent by the council, as
>     opposed to having the barest of majorities.
> 
>     I think the letter should have given the full results.
> 
>     It is my fault as well, as I should have made a statement when I
>     voted against this.   A mistake I will try to avoid in the future.
> 
>     I still this this is a sad day for the GNSO.
> 
>     avri
> 
>     On 16-May-14 05:02, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
> 
>         Thanks Glen and well-spotted Alan.
> 
>          
> 
>         Correct, the body of the letter contains the correct resolution but 
> the link
> 
>         is to the (original) motion.
> 
>         I thought the motion would be changed / updated to that which was 
> voted on.
> 
>          
> 
>         I'll talk with Glen and we'll get it fixed by one route or another.
> 
>          
> 
>         Jonathan
> 
>          
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
> 
>         From: Glen de Saint Géry [mailto:Glen@xxxxxxxxx] 
> 
>         Sent: 16 May 2014 09:33
> 
>         To: Alan Greenberg; jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
>         Cc: Glen de Saint Géry
> 
>         Subject: RE: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
> 
>          
> 
>         Alan and Jonathan,
> 
>          
> 
>         If you like, I will ask Web admin to fix the link, if they can, by 
> changing
> 
>         it from the motions page to the resolutions page?
> 
>         http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/resolutions#201405
> 
>          
> 
>         Thanks,
> 
>         Glen
> 
>          
> 
>         -----Message d'origine-----
> 
>         De : owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] De
> 
>         la part de Alan Greenberg Envoyé : vendredi 16 mai 2014 06:31 À :
> 
>         jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
> council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Objet : Re: [council] 
> Re:
> 
>         Letter from the NGPC Chair
> 
>          
> 
>          
> 
>         Jonathan, the letter was published by ICANN today, and I noticed a 
> small
> 
>         error. The letter includes a link described as "The full text of the 
> motion
> 
>         passed is available here". The link, however, points to the Motions 
> page on
> 
>         the Wiki which is the original motion going into the meeting and not 
> the
> 
>         final version.
> 
>          
> 
>         The version appended to the text of the letter is the correct one, so 
> the
> 
>         impact of the error is likely to be small.
> 
>          
> 
>         Alan
> 
>          
> 
>         At 09/05/2014 05:29 AM, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
> 
>             All,
> 
>              
> 
>             FYI. Please see attached for letter sent to the NGPC today.
> 
>              
> 
>             Jonathan
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