RE: [council] Repost: a process to review/evaluate whether SSAC recommendations warrant action by the GNSO

["Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Julie,

I replied before seeing this.

Our points are consistent I think.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Hedlund [mailto:julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 10 January 2014 16:08
To: Avri Doria; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [council] Repost: a process to review/evaluate whether SSAC 
recommendations warrant action by the GNSO

Hi Avri,

I can confirm that there are no GNSO Council members who are also SSAC
members.

Just a note about your second question.  According to the SSAC procedures
anyone participating in the SSAC must be an SSAC member.  If the GNSO were
to appoint an inward liaison to the SSAC that person would have to go
through the SSAC membership process -- that is, be qualified as an SSAC
member regardless of liaison status and be appointed by the Board as such.
 For example, ALAC selected Julie Hammer as a liaison to the SSAC, but the
SSAC evaluated and accepted Julie as an SSAC member as part of its regular
membership process because she was qualified to be a member.  Her
potential liaison status was not a factor in that evaluation.  I have
included the text from the Operational Procedures below.

I hope this information is helpful but please let me know if you have any
questions.

Best regards,

Julie

2.7.4 SSAC Inward Liaisons [See
http://www.icann.org/en/groups/ssac/operational-procedures-18jan13-en.pdf]

Various ICANN SOs and ACs and related panels and entities (³groups²) have
asked to send liaisons to the SSAC.  The SSAC has generally welcomed the
idea of
inward liaisons, but it has insisted that an inward liaison also be a
full-fledged member of the SSAC.  These inward liaisons represent the
community of their appointing group in a general sense, not as an
authority speaking on their behalf.  Inward liaisons provide information
about the community and offer insight and context as needed to SSAC
activities.  Similarly, inward liaisons will learn about the SSAC and its
activities by participation in SSAC and, within the constraints of
confidentiality, may mention or comment on these activities to their
appointing groups.  Inward liaisons may be asked to facilitate
communication with those groups.

The groups with which the SSAC chooses to liaise are selected by the SSAC.
 Groups are selected based on an identified need to maintain a cooperative
relationship.
An inward liaison to the SSAC participates as a full member of the SSAC.
An inward liaison participates in the other group according to the mutual
agreement of both groups when the liaison relationship is established.
Unless otherwise established by the mutual agreement of the SSAC and the
other group, inward liaisons are expected to affirm their commitment to
the obligations of SSAC membership as previously specified.



On 1/10/14 10:53 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>Hi,
>
>I think these are complementary activities.
>
>I think that the activity Mikey suggested is an important activity, in
>fact a remedial activity - what else have we missed dealing with over
>the years.
>
>Having a liaison with the SSAC would be useful in that they could not
>only help clarify some of the issues we find analyzing these existing
>reports, but can help us with new ones coming in the future.
>
>One question, on another list, Patrik Fältström, chair of SSAC, spoke of
>the nature of SSAC and its inability to appoint a representative to a
>CWG.  Might the same apply to a liaison to the GNSO Council? The same
>issue we had with the GAC.  I don't know if we have any council members
>who are also SSAC members, but if they can't appoint a Liaison to the
>GNSO Council because of their rules, might the GNSO Council be permitted
>to appoint a liaison (or is this a reverse liaison) to the SSAC?  Just a
>thought.
>
>I do agree that having an ongoing persistent connection between our
>groups is a good idea, whatever form it might take.
>
>avri
>
>On 10-Jan-14 09:45, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>> Thanks Mikey,
>>
>> Personally, I am receptive but would like to make sure we understand the
>> why and how as well as possible.
>>
>> One question, does this (or could it) link with the tentative proposal I
>> mentioned in our Council meeting with the Board in BA where I suggested
>> that SSAC consider appointing a liaison to the GNSO Council.
>>
>> Informal conversations after that somewhat off-the-cuff suggestion led
>> me to understand that this was well received.
>>
>> Additional thoughts from others?
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> *From:*Mike O'Connor [mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx]
>> *Sent:* 10 January 2014 12:59
>> *To:* Council
>> *Subject:* [council] Repost: a process to review/evaluate whether SSAC
>> recommendations warrant action by the GNSO
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> welcome back from the holidays ‹ i¹m reposting this because i¹d like to
>> request a slot on the agenda of our upcoming meeting for this topic.
>>   the first time around, this note met with resounding silence from the
>> Council, which i¹m thinking was due to the pre-holiday crush.
>>
>> so i¹m trying again.  and making a formal request for an agenda slot.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> mikey
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *"Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>>
>> *Subject: [council] what about a process to review/evaluate whether SSAC
>> recommendations warrant action by the GNSO*
>>
>> *Date: *December 19, 2013 at 10:53:13 AM CST
>>
>> *To: *"council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> GNSO"
>> <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>
>> *Cc: *Patrik Fältström <patrik@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:patrik@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>>
>> dear all,
>>
>> i would like to introduce a gap-closing proposal for the GNSO -- namely,
>> to take a hard look at SSAC reports and determine whether any of their
>> recommendations bear on GNSO Consensus Policy.
>>
>> this gap between what the SSAC says and the GNSO does has been an issue
>> for me for quite some time, and i think one easy way to close it would
>> be to routinely take up each SSAC report and make that determination.
>>   there would likely be cases where we review the reports among the
>> stakeholder groups and conclude that:
>>
>>     -- there are NO recommendations that require PDPs
>>
>>     -- there ARE recommendations that require PDPs, or
>>
>>     -- there are recommendations that we would like to know more about
>>     before we decided whether a PDP is in order.
>>
>> i'll give an example of the reason why this is on my mind.  in 2005 the
>> SSAC produced an extensive report that addressed the issue of
>> domain-name hijacking.  in 2011, six years later, the members of the
>> IRTP-B working group stumbled across the following observation in that
>> ancient report and realized that it would be a good idea
>>
>>     Collect emergency contact information from registrants, registrars,
>>     and resellers for parties who are suited to assist in responding to
>>     an urgent restoration of domain name incident. Define escalation
>>     processes (emergency procedures) that all parties agree can be
>>     instituted in events where emergency contacts are not available.
>>
>> it took six years for that very common-sense idea to find it's way into
>> Consensus Policy.  and it probably took another year or two to
>> implement.  and it was all practically by accident.
>>
>> what if we:
>>
>>     -- discuss this "formally review SSAC reports" idea with our
>>     stakeholders and on the Council list for a while
>>
>>     -- put an agenda item on our next call to share what we've heard and
>>     test a way forward
>>
>>     -- get started, presuming nobody thinks this is a horrible idea
>>
>> i've attached the recommendations from the three (count 'em, three) SSAC
>> reports that were released in Buenos Aires.  just to give you an idea of
>> the substantive reports that the SSAC is producing.  i think it would be
>> really helpful to run these through a process to decide which, if any,
>> of these recommendations warrant action via PDP.  there are plenty more
>> SSAC reports to review in the backlog.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> mikey
>>
>> *SAC061:  SSAC Comment on ICANN¹s Initial Report from the Expert Working
>> Group on gTLD Directory Services*
>>
>> http://www.icann.org/en/groups/ssac/documents/sac-061-en.pdf
>>
>>     Recommendation 1: SSAC reiterates its recommendation from SAC055:
>>     The ICANN Board should explicitly *defer any other activity (within
>>     ICANN¹s remit) directed at finding a Œsolution¹ to Œthe WHOIS
>>     problem¹ until the registration data policy has been developed and
>>     accepted in the community*. The EWG should clearly state its
>>     proposal for the purpose of registration data, and focus on policy
>>     issues over specific implementations.
>>
>>     Recommendation 2: The ICANN Board should ensure that a *formal
>>     security risk assessment of the registration data policy be
>>     conducted as an input into the Policy Development Process.*
>>
>>     Recommendation 3: SSAC recommends that the EWG state more clearly
>>     its positions on the following questions of data availability:
>>
>>     *A. Why is a change to public access justified?*
>>
>>     This explanation should describe the potential impact upon ordinary
>>     Internet users and casual or occasional users of the directory
>>service.
>>
>>     *B. Does the EWG believe that access to data currently accessible in
>>     generic Top Level Domain (gTLD) WHOIS output should become
>>restricted?*
>>
>>     If so, what fields and to what extent exactly? Under the EWG
>>     proposal, queries from non- authenticated requestors would return
>>     only ³public data available to anyone, for
>>
>>     *C. Should all gTLD registries be required to provision their
>>     contact data into the Aggregated Registration Data Service (ARDS)? *
>>
>>     There may be jurisdictions that prohibit by law the export of
>>     personally identifiable information outside the jurisdiction. If so,
>>     the ARDS may not be a viable way to deliver data accuracy and
>>     compliance across all gTLDs.
>>
>>     D. Does the EWG propose *more types of sensitive registration data
>>     be provisioned into ARDS than are found in current gTLD WHOIS
>>output?*
>>
>>     Recommendation 4: The SSAC suggests that the EWG address this
>>     recommendation from SAC058: ³SSAC Report on Domain Name Registration
>>     Data Validation²3:
>>
>>     As the ICANN community discusses validating contact information, the
>>     SSAC recommends that *the following meta-questions regarding the
>>     costs and benefits of registration data validation should be
>>answered*:
>>
>>     € *What data elements need to be added or validated to comply with
>>     requirements or expectations of different stakeholders?*
>>
>>     *€ Is additional registration processing overhead and delay an
>>     acceptable cost for improving accuracy and quality of registration
>>     data?*
>>
>>     *€ Is higher cost an acceptable outcome for improving accuracy and
>>     quality?*
>>
>>     *€ Would accuracy improve if the registration process were to
>>     provide natural persons with privacy protection upon completion of
>>     multi-factored validation?*
>>
>> **
>>
>> **
>>
>> *SAC062:  SSAC Advisory Concerning the Mitigation of Name Collision
>>Risk*
>>
>> **
>>
>> http://www.icann.org/en/groups/ssac/documents/sac-062-en.pdf
>>
>>     Recommendation 1: ICANN should work with the wider Internet
>>     community, including at least the IAB and the IETF, to *identify (1)
>>     what strings are appropriate to reserve for private namespace use
>>     and (2) what type of private namespace use is appropriate (i.e., at
>>     the TLD level only or at any additional lower level)*.
>>
>>     Recommendation 2*: *ICANN should explicitly consider the following
>>     questions regarding trial delegation and *clearly articulate what
>>     choices have been made and why *as part of its decision as to
>>     whether or not to delegate any TLD on a trial basis:
>>
>>     -- *Purpose of the trial:* What type of trial is to be conducted?
>>     What data are to be collected?
>>
>>     -- *Operation of the trial*: Should ICANN (or a designated agent)
>>     operate the trial or should the applicant operate it?
>>
>>     -- *Emergency Rollback*: What are the emergency rollback decision
>>     and execution procedures for any delegation in the root, and have
>>     the root zone partners exercised these capabilities?
>>
>>     -- *Termination of the trial:* What are the criteria for terminating
>>     the trial (both normal and emergency criteria)? What is to be done
>>     with the data collected? Who makes the decision on what the next
>>     step in the delegation process is?
>>
>> **
>>
>>     Recommendation 3: ICANN should explicitly *consider under what
>>     circumstances un-delegation of a TLD is the appropriate mitigation
>>     for a security or stability issue.* In the case where a TLD has an
>>     established namespace, ICANN should clearly identify why the risk
>>     and harm of the TLD remaining in the root zone is greater than the
>>     risk and harm of removing a viable and in-use namespace from the
>>     DNS. Finally, ICANN should work in consultation with the community,
>>     in particular the root zone management partners, to create
>>     additional processes or update existing processes to accommodate the
>>     potential need for rapid reversal of the delegation of a TLD.
>>
>> **
>>
>> *SAC063:  SSAC Advisory on DNSSEC Key Rollover in the Root Zone*
>>
>> http://www.icann.org/en/groups/ssac/documents/sac-063-en.pdf
>>
>> *Recommendations:*
>>
>>     Recommendation 1: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
>>     Numbers (ICANN) staff, in coordination with the other Root Zone
>>     Management Partners (United States Department of Commerce, National
>>     Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), and
>>     Verisign), *should immediately undertake a significant, worldwide
>>     communications effort to publicize the root zone KSK rollover
>>     motivation and process as widely as possible*.
>>
>>     Recommendation 2: ICANN staff should lead, coordinate, or otherwise
>>     encourage the creation of a collaborative, representative testbed
>>     for the purpose of analyzing behaviors of various validating
>>     resolver implementations, their versions, and their network
>>     environments (e.g., middle boxes) that may affect or be affected by
>>     a root KSK rollover, *such that potential problem areas can be
>>     identified, communicated, and addressed.*
>>
>>     Recommendation 3: ICANN staff should lead, coordinate, or otherwise
>>     encourage*the creation of clear and objective metrics for acceptable
>>     levels of ³breakage² resulting from a key rollover.*
>>
>>     Recommendation 4: ICANN staff should lead, coordinate, or otherwise
>>     encourage *the development of rollback procedures to be executed
>>     when a rollover has affected operational stability beyond a
>>     reasonable boundary.*
>>
>>     Recommendation 5: ICANN staff should lead, coordinate, or otherwise
>>     encourage the collection of as much information as possible about
>>     the impact of a KSK rollover to provide input to planning for future
>>     rollovers.
>>
>>
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