Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

["Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>]

i would add a couple variables

        R = rigor

        L (since "C" is already taken) = level of consensus

give me permission to do a sketchy work-product with low levels of consensus 
and i can bring a working-group home in a jiffy.  ;-)

mikey


On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:27 PM, "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I like it.  I think it helps make my points with regard to 
> time-effectiveness.  J
>  
> Chuck
>  
> From: John Berard [mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:43 PM
> To: Berry Cobb
> Cc: Gomes, Chuck; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell; Alan Greenberg; David Cake; 
> Mike O'Connor; <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>  
> Who is this and what have you done with Berry?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "Berry Cobb" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> All,
>  
> I’m probably a bit tardy in offering this to the discussion, but it might at 
> least help inform future deliberations on the topic of time duration on a 
> PDP.  I started drafting a simple formula a while ago and I suspect a few 
> more variables could be added.
>  
> Duration of a PDP is a function of participation X frequency X complexity X 
> knowledge
> D=PxFxCxK
>  
> Food for thought…….
>  
> B
>  
> Berry Cobb
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> mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> @berrycobb
>  
>  
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:00
> To: Gomes, Chuck; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell
> Cc: Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>  
> One more thing on this.  I was comfortable with the changes in wording that 
> James & I agreed to previously. What happened to that?
>  
> Chuck
>  
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:47 PM
> To: James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell
> Cc: Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>  
> James,
>  
> I don’t think that time-effectiveness can be dealt with in isolation of the 
> other criteria.  In fact, time-effectiveness itself is not the root problem, 
> it is the symptom.  We could easily make PDPs shorter; would that solve the 
> problem?  We could reduce the time it takes to do a PDP?  Would that be a 
> measure of success?  The original DNSO did that in policy work by having the 
> GNSO Council act as a legislative body.  It’s easy to do things faster in a 
> top-down management model.  I am willing to consider other wording but I have 
> a serious problem with  the wording that is in the latest version Maria 
> distributed.  I think it undermines the other points we make.
>  
> Chuck
>  
> From: James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:12 PM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; Maria Farrell
> Cc: Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>  
> Chuck:
>  
> I’m not entirely on board with some of the sentiments expressed in your 
> edits.  Opponents of the PDP will often (and firstly) cite the -lack– of time 
> efficiency as the primary flaw in the process.  If we are to address those 
> internal and external critics, it seems that this should be highlighted above 
> the other concerns…
>  
> Thanks—
>  
> J.
>  
> From: <Gomes>, Chuck <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 at 12:02 
> To: Maria Farrell <maria.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>, David Cake 
> <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Mike O'Connor <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>, 
> "council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments
>  
> Thanks Maria. 
>  
> Regarding ‘13.1 on GNSO and the wider ICANN community developing ways to make 
> the GNSO PDP process more time-effective’:


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