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Re: [council] update on IGO-INGO motion


Jeff,
thanks for your e-mail.


Am 19.11.2013 um 14:48 schrieb "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>:

> All,
>  
> As the maker of the motion, here is what I would consider friendly.  I need 
> to spend some time reviewing to see whether this  document achieves this, so 
> am not ready right now as I am in the middle of the gTLD Registries meeting:
>  
> 1.        Remove SCI portion of the motion and vote on that separately.

Yes - it shall be moved to the consent agenda.

> 2.       Vote on all of the “consensus recommendations” as a package; and

Yes.

> 3.       Remove former section 5 and vote on that separately from #1 and #2.
>  
Yes. We will keep 2 and 3 in one motion, but have two votes.

Thanks for considering this friendly.

Thomas


> I noticed here #1 was done.  I am unclear if #2 and #3 are what Thomas is 
> recommending as part of the friendly amendment.  If that is what is being 
> proposed, then I would consider it friendly.
>  
> Please confirm.
>  
> Jeffrey J. Neuman 
> Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Registry Services
>  
> From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:34 PM
> To: WUKnoben; Neuman, Jeff; 'Thomas Rickert'; GNSO Council List; Jonathan 
> Robinson
> Subject: Re: [council] update on IGO-INGO motion
>  
> My apologies if I misunderstood your question, Wolf-Ulrich! 
>  
> Basically, in that specific instance then the Council would first vote on the 
> proposed amendment(s). If the vote on that fails, then you would vote on the 
> original unamended motion. Although this procedure is not spelled out in the 
> Bylaws or Operating Procedures, this has been the custom and has been done 
> several times, including in the recent past.
>  
> Again, I hope this helps!
>  
> Cheers
> Mary
>  
> Mary Wong
> Senior Policy Director
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
> Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
> Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx
>  
> * One World. One Internet. *
>  
> From: WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:25 PM
> To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx>, "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>, 
> 'Thomas Rickert' <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>, GNSO Council List 
> <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jonathan Robinson <jonathan.robinson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [council] update on IGO-INGO motion
>  
> Thanks Mary,
>  
> to be more specific: what if the amendments are not seen as friendly? What 
> are the options for the council?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Wolf-Ulrich
> 
>  
> From: Mary Wong
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:49 PM
> To: WUKnoben ; Neuman, Jeff ; 'Thomas Rickert' ; GNSO Council List ; Jonathan 
> Robinson
> Subject: Re: [council] update on IGO-INGO motion
>  
> Hello Wolf-Ulrich,
>  
> If the changes to the motion – (1) renumbering by (a) moving the Strong 
> Support but Significant Opposition clause to the end, and (b) removing the 
> clause about the SCI reviewing consensus levels; (2) proposing the removal of 
> the SCI clause; and (3) proposing that the Council vote on the Strong Support 
> but Significant Opposition recommendations (rather than the Council 
> "reserving the right to deliberate [them] at the appropriate time" - are 
> being proposed by Thomas as possible friendly amendments, then Jeff (as 
> proposer) and you, Wolf-Ulrich (as seconder), will have to consider if you 
> will accept them as such.
>  
> I hope this helps.
>  
> Cheers
> Mary
>  
> Mary Wong
> Senior Policy Director
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
> Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
> Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx
>  
> * One World. One Internet. *
>  
> From: WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:34 PM
> To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx>, "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>, 
> 'Thomas Rickert' <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>, GNSO Council List 
> <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jonathan Robinson <jonathan.robinson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [council] update on IGO-INGO motion
>  
> Thanks Mary,
>  
> could you please clarify on how the amendment process is to be dealt with 
> according to the GNSO rules?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Wolf-Ulrich
> 
>  
> From: Mary Wong
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 1:01 PM
> To: WUKnoben ; Neuman, Jeff ; 'Thomas Rickert' ; GNSO Council List ; Jonathan 
> Robinson
> Subject: Re: [council] update on IGO-INGO motion
>  
> Hello - the redlined version is attached.
>  
> Cheers
> Mary
>  
> Mary Wong
> Senior Policy Director
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
> Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
> Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx
>  
> * One World. One Internet. *
>  
> From: WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:16 PM
> To: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>, 'Thomas Rickert' 
> <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>, GNSO Council List <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jonathan 
> Robinson <jonathan.robinson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [council] update on IGO-INGO motion
>  
> It would be helpful for the constituencies’ discussion to have a redline 
> version of the motion available.
> Could staff please provide it?
> 
> Thanks
> Wolf-Ulrich
> 
>  
> From: Neuman, Jeff
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:24 AM
> To: 'Thomas Rickert' ; GNSO Council List ; Jonathan Robinson
> Subject: RE: [council] update on IGO-INGO motion
>  
> Thomas,
>  
> Thanks for this.  Just for clarification, are you asking this to be 
> considered by the maker of the motion as a friendly amendment?
>  
> Jeffrey J. Neuman 
> Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Registry Services
>  
> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf OfThomas Rickert
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:12 AM
> To: GNSO Council List; Jonathan Robinson
> Subject: [council] update on IGO-INGO motion
>  
> Dear Councilors,
>  
> In view of the discussion in and feedback from the GNSO's Working Session on 
> Saturday, I've asked ICANN staff to create some additional materials that I 
> hope will be useful during your discussions of the IGO-INGO motion with your 
> respective constituencies and stakeholder groups on Tuesday. ICANN staff has 
> also consulted with ICANN's legal department regarding the questions that 
> were raised about voting thresholds and Consensus Policies.
>  
> Voting Thresholds 
> The voting thresholds for PDP recommendations to be adopted are set out in 
> the ICANN Bylaws herehttp://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#X.
>  
> As you can see, approving a PDP recommendation requires at a minimum:
>  
> 'an affirmative vote of a majority of each House and further requires that 
> one GNSO Council member representative of at least 3 of the 4 Stakeholder 
> Groups supports the Recommendation'.
>  
> It should be noted though that depending on whether a supermajority vote is 
> achieved on a recommendation, the voting threshold needed for the ICANN Board 
> to determine that such policy is not in the best interests of the ICANN 
> community or ICANN differs (i.e. if supermajority is achieved, it requires 
> more than a 2/3 vote of the Board, while if no supermajority is achieved, a 
> majority vote of the Board would be sufficient) - 
> http://www.icann.org/en/about/governance/bylaws#AnnexA.
>  
> Furthermore, if a supermajority threshold is achieved, the certainty of 
> implementing some or parts of some of the recommendations as Consensus Policy 
> may be more clear, but further determinations would need to be made in 
> relation to each of the adopted recommendations as part of the implementation 
> process to determine what would be the most effective / efficient way of 
> implementation. If a supermajority threshold is not achieved, alternative 
> mechanisms can be considered to implement the recommendations.
>  
> Finally, to approve an Issue Report, what is required is a quarter of each 
> House or a majority of one House.
>  
> Structure of the motion
> After consultation with Jonathan, I suggest the Council should vote on the 
> second alternative of what was Recommendation 5, which is why we could delete 
> the first alternative from the draft motion.
>  
> One additional thing I'd like to suggest is that, instead of considering the 
> request to the SCI (to review consensus levels in the WG Guidelines) as part 
> of the motion, the Council take up that item as part of our Consent Agenda 
> during the Wednesday meeting. Jonathan – this item is for your attention and 
> action; will you grant the request?
>  
> Attached to this email are the following:
>  
> (1) A renumbered IGO-INGO motion:
> Renumbered such that the former Resolved Clause 5 (which contains the 
> language pertaining to those recommendations that received Strong Support but 
> Significant Opposition) is now moved to the end of the motion and the two 
> alternative wordings highlighted in yellow- with the result that all the 
> preceding Resolved clauses now contain only the WG's Consensus 
> recommendations. 
> All Consensus recommendations are marked with two red **s; those receiving 
> Strong Support but Significant Opposition (now contained in the last Resolved 
> clause with the renumbering (new clause 8)) are marked with three blue ###s.
> The word "and" has been underlined in the new clause 8, in the bullet point 
> concerning IGO acronyms entering the TM Clearinghouse (currently Strong 
> Support but Significant Opposition) - to emphasize the fact that at the 
> moment there is no WG consensus on whether IGO acronyms should enter the TMCH 
> for second-level protections (there is already Consensus that these acronyms 
> will not receive top level protection).
> The former Resolved Clause 7 (referring to the SCI review of the WG 
> Guidelines) has been removed – to be moved to the Council's Consent Agenda if 
> approved.
> No substantive, language or any other editing changes have been made to the 
> motion – this is otherwise the same motion that was sent on 10 November and 
> discussed over the weekend.
> (2) A list of the exact identifiers referred to in the WG report and the 
> motion for each group of organizations (RCRC, IOC, IGOs and INGOs other than 
> the RCRC/IOC).
>  
> Hopefully these supplementary materials will assist in further constructive 
> discussions on Tuesday and Wednesday.
>  
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>  

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