Re: [council] Draft PDP charter - Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation PDP WG
Thanks for the follow up and comments, Wendy and Volker. In preparing the staff paper that provided the background for this discussion, we thought it best to lay out all the issues that seemed to be raised by the proxy/privacy accreditation question at the time, rather than engage in an editing process that might be seen as inappropriate. Those issues were incorporated wholesale into the draft charter for the same reason. As with other Working Groups, and among a number of options, the Working Group that will be formed may choose to form sub-groups and work teams for any, some or all of the identified issues (including the development of a work plan or grouping together or refining appropriate sets of questions). The earlier Issue Report had also mentioned the possibility of dividing the PDP into specific issue "sets", along the lines of what was done with the IRTP. These options may impact the time line in some cases; however, it seemed preferable that everyone has an early awareness of the scope of the work facing the WG - especially given the definite, final stop date of January 1, 2017 (as stated in temporary privacy/proxy specification in the 2013 RAA). We will make the change suggested by Wendy below to the current draft charter. I hope this helps, Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx * One World. One Internet. * -----Original Message----- From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Monday, October 21, 2013 2:00 PM To: Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Mary Wong <mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: "council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [council] Draft PDP charter - Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation PDP WG >Hi, > >I agree with Wendy's first comment, as this changed wording would remove >any preconception a WG member may have that a certain result is >preferential over another or a certain question actually requires a >solution. Phrasing the questions in a neutral, non-leading manner will >possibly improve the result of the WG. > >If the number of question could be condensed by combining them into >theme complexes that may be an option, but in general, I have no issue >with a broad scope. The questions are each important enough to deserve >at least consideration and review by the WG. > >Best, > >Volker > > >> Hi Mary and colleagues, >> >> As I said on the Council call, I'm concerned about the framing of the >> questions in the draft charter: I'd like every "What" to say "What, if >> any ..." rather than suggesting that all of them necessarily require >> practices or responses. I also believe the number of questions is far >> too large, giving the group an unwieldy broad scope (indeed, when I >> first viewed and printed the document from OpenOffice, the list was cut >> off after 6). >> >> --Wendy >> >> On 10/17/2013 03:17 PM, Mary Wong wrote: >>> Dear all, attached is a revised version of the draft charter, to which >>>I've >>> added Volker's suggested questions (below) to the scope of the WG's >>>work and >>> fixed the previous typos. I hope this revised version will be of >>>assistance >>> in your continuing discussions. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Mary >>> >>> Mary Wong >>> Senior Policy Director >>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) >>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 >>> Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx >>> >>> * One World. One Internet. * >>> >>> From: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Organization: Afilias >>> Reply-To: "jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:07 AM >>> To: 'Volker Greimann' <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, >>>"council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" >>> <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: RE: [council] Draft PDP charter - Privacy & Proxy >>>Accreditation >>> Services PDP WG >>> >>>> Thanks Volker, >>>> >>>> Agreed on the title. I think the Privacy & Proxy Accreditation >>>>Services PDP >>>> WG is a typo/error and it should read Privacy & Proxy Services >>>>Accreditation >>>> PDP WG. >>>> Thanks also for the specific additional input of your two points >>>>italicised >>>> below. >>>> >>>> I¹d very much like to get additional input on whether or not we (or >>>>with the >>>> help of input from our respective groups / constituencies) can get >>>>the current >>>> draft charter polished to a satisfactory state. >>>> >>>> There is obviously a driver to getting the WG going without the DT >>>>step i.e. >>>> to demonstrate that the PDP process can be efficient and, to some >>>>extent, >>>> flexible whilst still being thorough. >>>> But, clearly we need to be sure that we are confident that we can >>>>tolerate >>>> skipping this (DT) step if we go down that route. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> Sent: 15 October 2013 18:15 >>>> To: jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: [council] Draft PDP charter - Privacy & Proxy >>>>Accreditation >>>> Services PDP WG >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Jonathan, >>>> >>>> first of all, I support the new naming of the proposed PDP to better >>>>fit and >>>> describe the only identified remaining issues. By giving the PDP WG a >>>>name >>>> that says what is does, it will be easier to attract the necessary >>>>parties to >>>> participate in this important effort and add focus the work effort. >>>>Maybe just >>>> one suggestion would be to switch the positions of the words >>>>"Accreditation" >>>> and "Services" to make it read: "Privacy & Proxy Services >>>>Accreditation PDP >>>> WG", i.e. the way it is spelled out in text of the draft charter, but >>>>not in >>>> the headline. >>>> >>>> Regarding the charter, I feel that the draft is already a good >>>>template for >>>> the WG. While it may be advisable to give it a final polish in a >>>>Drafting >>>> Team, I can see why there is support for option one. I would however >>>>suggest a >>>> few further issues to consider: >>>> >>>> "What are the effects of the privacy & proxy service specification >>>>contained >>>> in the 2013 RAA? Have these new requirements improved Whois quality, >>>> registrant contactability and service usability?" >>>> >>>> "What should be the contractual obligations of ICANN accredited >>>>registrars >>>> with regard to accredited privacy/proxy service providers? Should >>>>registrars >>>> be permitted to knowingly accept registrations where the registrant >>>>is using >>>> unaccredited service providers that are however bound to the same >>>>standards as >>>> accredited service providers?" >>>> >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> So I am not yet certain this draft is or should be the final word. >>>>While the >>>> remaining changes to this draft may be minor, it maybe worthwhile to >>>>go >>>> through the entire process by creating a drafting team, if just to >>>>make sure >>>> all the "i"s are dotted. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Volker >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Following up on our discussion regarding the charter for the ³RAA >>>>>Remaining >>>>> Issues PDP² on our call on Thursday last week, I hope that we can >>>>>start a >>>>> discussion right away regarding possible revisions to the draft >>>>>charter >>>>> prepared by staff which I forwarded to you all just prior to our >>>>>meeting. I >>>>> believe our aim should be to form a view as to whether or not the >>>>>draft >>>>> charter, as amended according to our anticipated discussions, is a >>>>>document >>>>> that can be voted on for adoption at our next Council meeting. >>>>> >>>>> As a reminder, our options are essentially either: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Discuss and revise this draft charter for formal adoption by >>>>>the >>>>> Council, which will then proceed to form a Working Group (WG) to >>>>>begin work; >>>>> or >>>>> >>>>> 2. Create a Drafting Team (DT) to finalize a charter based >>>>>either upon >>>>> this draft or starting from a blank slate to be proposed for >>>>>adoption at a >>>>> later Council meeting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On our Thursday call last week, several Councillors supported option >>>>>1 above >>>>> as a pragmatic way forward i.e. to see if we can find agreement as >>>>>to the >>>>> terms of the charter that will govern the WG's work. I am therefore >>>>> circulating the draft Charter again (re-titled and slightly revised >>>>>to more >>>>> accurately reflect the scope of the PDP) for discussion. >>>>> >>>>> My sense is that the scope will be largely governed by the specific >>>>>issues >>>>> that are laid out in Section III of the draft Charter. So, perhaps >>>>>we can >>>>> start by discussing possible revisions to these questions, not in >>>>>terms of >>>>> substantive discussion over the merits or content of the answers, >>>>>but in >>>>> relation to whether they sufficiently describe and frame the scope >>>>>of work >>>>> for the WG. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If we are able to reach agreement within the next week, we can then >>>>>propose >>>>> the revised charter for adoption on 21 October i.e. within the >>>>>document >>>>> deadline for our upcoming 31 October meeting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I look forward to an engaging and constructive discussion on the >>>>>list on this >>>>> topic. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. >>>> >>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen, >>>> >>>> Volker A. 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