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[council] AW: Motion on WHOIS Access recommendation
Trust, but control is better...
>From the RAA negotiation issues posted on the web I can only see that the
>important WHOIS issue is still controversial, and there may be no agreement on
>this. In this case the access issue should be incorporated in a PDP if
>requested. Since we're not part of the negotiation team we can't influence the
>debate otherwise.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Juni 2012 12:53
An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; 'council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Betreff: RE: Motion on WHOIS Access recommendation
Ok, but why are we so concerned with a registrar SLA if they are required to
pass through the accurate data to the registries and the registries have an
uptime slas. If it just com and net that are the issue because not thick
registries, well that is being dealt with in the thick Whois pdp already
initiated which will start later this year.
In short, between all of the work underway (the protocol work, the
negotiations, the thick Whois pdp, the Whois require,ends survey, the Pdp
intimated by the board dealing with picket fence issues in the RAA, the Whois
studies, etc.), I think everything is covered.
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From: KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 05:59 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: Neuman, Jeff; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: AW: Motion on WHOIS Access recommendation
Thanks Jeff, very helpful!
These are the documents we're also referring to.
However the focus of SAC 051 and the Roadmap seems primarily protocol-related.
Originally you may recall that the Council asked the WHOIS Service Requirements
Survey Working Group to consider adding this "feature" as a possible technical
"requirement" to be surveyed to determine the degree of community support for
that capability as part of a new protocol. The WSWG concluded that WHOIS uptime
or "basic availability of and access to WHOIS data" such as an SLA-type
approach was not a technical protocol-level issue but rather an operational or
policy issue that was not within the WSWG's remit and no specific requirement
of uptime is required today. (Recall this email from Compliance reporting on
this: http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg10766.html
<http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg10766.html> ).
Thus we do not think that there is much potential overlap with SAC 051 or the
Roadmap which is also focusing at the protocol level, except possibly insofar
as PDP might result at some point during the Roadmap process.
Our access motion is intended to basically assure what you are describing in #3
and #4 below, which is to follow up to include the access capability in an RAA
PDP in the event that an SLA doesn't result from the RAA negotiations. This is
why the motion is focusing on incorporating this access into a possible PDP if
not addressed in negotiations and why we do not necessarily see a connection
with the SAC 051 Roadmap.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. Juni 2012 21:25
An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: RE: Motion on WHOIS Access recommendation
Wolf,
This is key, but also please review:
1. SAC 51:
http://www.icann.org/en/groups/ssac/documents/sac-051-en.pdf
2. And the final roadmap to implement SAC 51:
http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-6-04jun12-en.htm which
is currently published and before the board.
I do disagree with some things in the road map like the legalistic
approach to standards development which is a larger issue of how ICANN sees its
own self regulatory model, but nonetheless, they need to be reviewed.
3. Also, don't forget the current discussions with the registrars
on the RAA amendments:
http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-7-04jun12-en.htm which
have several sections dealing with WHOIS Access.
4. And finally keep in mind that certain picket fence items not
finalized in the RAA discussions, can be addressed in the PDP we approved
(which I believe the motion is meant to address).
The main point is that the motion came out of a group whose
recommendations are 3 years old and do not take into consideration all of the
work that is already underway.
Given all the work already underway, what is it that the motion adds
that is not being done?
Thanks.
Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 4:42 AM
To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [council] Motion on WHOIS Access recommendation
All:
with regards to the a.m. motion which has been deferred to the Prague
meeting I'd like to come back to the "definition of WHOIS Access" which was
discussed at the last call.
In this context two defining documents should be given attention: the
RAP WG Final Report and the WHOIS Policy Review Team Final Report.
The RAP WG is pointing to "basic availability of and access to WHOIS
data" which implies technical, operational and contractual aspects (see
http://gnso.icann.org/issues/rap/rap-wg-final-report-29may10-en.pdf; page 71 ff)
In this context it may be helpful to make reference to the definitions
in the WHOIS Policy Review Team Final Report on WHOIS Data, WHOIS Protocol and
WHOIS Service (see
http://www.icann.org/en/about/aoc-review/whois/final-report-11may12-en; page 22
ff)
I would appreciate if continuing this discussion on the list could lead
to a more common understanding of the item until it comes to voting.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
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