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RE: [council] Request for clarification from IOC-RC Drafting Team
- To: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>, "William Drake" <william.drake@xxxxxx>, Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [council] Request for clarification from IOC-RC Drafting Team
- From: "Mason Cole" <mcole@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:01:38 -0700
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Got it. Thanks Jeff.
-----Original Message-----
From: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wed 4/25/2012 4:44 PM
To: Mason Cole; 'William Drake'; 'Stéphane Van Gelder'
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [council] Request for clarification from IOC-RC Drafting Team
I was referring to your statement of facts where you say that the Drafting Team
work is concluded. In fact, the drafting team has been meeting and has had a
number of truly productive conversations. Other than the objections of some
members of the NCSG, the board refusal to accept the GNSO recommendations at
the top level has not affected the work of the Drafting Team at the second
level. They are truly separate discussions relying on separate considerations.
We are scheduled to meet again next Wednesday and it would be great to have
you (or other registrars) on the call to get your viewpoint. Even if the
Drafting Team is disbanded by the Council, we assume that the work done by the
group to date could be used to inform any future work on these issues.
Thanks.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mason Cole [mailto:mcole@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 07:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
To: Neuman, Jeff; William Drake; Stéphane Van Gelder
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [council] Request for clarification from IOC-RC Drafting
Team
No objection to the discussion at all, Jeff. I'm aware of the request re
second level, though speaking personally the same philosophy holds for me.
Looking forward to the discussion on the DT.
-----Original Message-----
From: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wed 4/25/2012 4:36 PM
To: Mason Cole; 'William Drake'; 'Stéphane Van Gelder'
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [council] Request for clarification from IOC-RC Drafting Team
Mason,
Your statement is true only at the top level and ignores the bulk of the GAC
request which relates to the second level. The GNSO has yet to make any
recommendations nor respond to the GAC with regards to second level
protections. This is why I have asked for this item to be a "discussion". I
am not saying that the GNSO should accept of reject the GAC recommendations at
the second level, but we need to at least give those recommendations some
analysis. Whether that is through the GNSO directly or through a drafting team
is the real item up for discussion.
I strongly suggest we lay the facts on the table at the Council meeting and
have a productive conversation on the next call.
Thanks.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mason Cole [mailto:mcole@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 07:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
To: William Drake; Stéphane Van Gelder
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [council] Request for clarification from IOC-RC Drafting
Team
All --
What I read is this:
- The GAC asked for protections for IOC/RC
- The GNSO Council voted to recommend to the board to provide protections in
time for first round
- The Board declined
- The IOC/RC DT work is concluded
UNLESS...
- We want to keep the DT in place to a) communicate to the GAC on behalf of the
GNSO, and b) pick up work on the now passed IGO motion
OR...
- We disband the IOC/RC DT and form a new DT to address the IGO issue later
In any case, I believe we should communicate to the GAC. I would like the
GNSO's position on record that we supported their request on the basis of their
representation that IOC/RC have special protections above the level of those
afforded IGOs and others. I don't know if others are willing to sign on to
that position, but I believe it is important to get across. ICANN is already
receiving other requests for all manner of protection, and boundaries should be
clear.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of William Drake
Sent: Sat 4/21/2012 1:46 AM
To: Stéphane Van Gelder
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [council] Request for clarification from IOC-RC Drafting Team
I can't help noticing that this sounds rather similar to a statement that was
described in SJ as a slap in the GAC's face, the end of the GNSO Council, and
an impediment to life saving work..
Bill
On Apr 20, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Councillors,
The Board rationale for the IOC/RC resolution has now been provided.
Please see here:
http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/prelim-report-new-gtld-10apr12-en.htm
Stéphane Van Gelder
Directeur Général / General manager
INDOM Group NBT France
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Head of Domain Operations
Group NBT
Le 19 avr. 2012 à 04:26, Neuman, Jeff a écrit :
Thanks to Mary for sending this note to the Council and I agree
that clarification is needed.
I do want to note a couple of points that were perhaps implicit
in Mary's note, but not stated. Yes, a coup,e of people from the NCSG
questioned whether this group should continue, others from other constituencies
and SGs did believe that the DT could still continue. Even if ultimately a new
group were formed in response to a PDP, the work of the DT could be used to
inform the PDP process. So, one of the options included in Mary's e-mail is
keeping the Drafting Team in place on the narrow issue of advising the GNSO on
Its response to the GAC proposal dated September 14, 2011. Whether or not we
keep the drafting team in place, we do owe the GAC a response to its proposal,
which is now over 7 months old.
The other thing to keep in mind is that a Preliminary Issue
report will not be out until Prague and a final one by the Toronto meeting.
This would be when the formal PDP would be launched and would also be over 12
months from when The GAC made its proposal to the GNSO regarding the IOC-RC
names.
So, let's get the discussion started at the Council to provide
direction.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 08:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [council] Request for clarification from IOC-RC
Drafting Team
Dear Councilors,
A question has arisen in the IOC-RC Drafting Team (DT), which
as you'll recall was formed by the Council at the conclusion of the Dakar
meeting to formulate an appropriate GNSO response to the GAC request of
September 2011, regarding specific protections for the IOC and RCRC.
In light of certain recent events, i.e. the April passage of a
recent GNSO Council motion and two relevant Board resolutions, the DT requests
clarification from the Council as to whether or not it is to continue with its
discussions regarding second level protections for these two organizations.
Since the DT is not a formal GNSO Working Group (WG), it does
not have a formal charter that sets out clearly the scope of its work, which in
any event may in the view of some have been superseded by these recent events
anyway. While some in the DT believe there is no reason not to continue its
deliberations for second level protections relating to the IOC and RCRC, others
prefer that the Council (which was the body that formed it) provide further
direction.
Options include disbanding the DT in light of the pending Issue
Report, forming a WG that would supersede it, or suspend the DT's work until
either the Board's rationale for its resolutions is available or the conclusion
of the Issue Report process (or both).
Can the Council please provide some guidance on this question?
FYI the language of our recent motion and the Board resolutions
are:
- The Council's recent passage of a motion to request an Issue
Report on whether certain international organizations (to be defined/described)
should be given additional protections at the top and second levels in the new
gTLD program: http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201204;
- The Board's recent resolution not to make further changes to
the AGB at this time despite the Council's earlier passage of a motion
recommending the adoption of the DT's proposals for additional protections for
the IOC and RCRC:
http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-new-gtld-10apr12-en.htm
(GNSO Council motion: http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201203); and
- The Board's recent resolution to request a staff briefing
paper on defensive registrations and second level protections as well as for
the GNSO to consider whether "additional work on defensive registrations at the
second level" should be undertaken:
http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-new-gtld-10apr12-en.htm.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law
Chair, Graduate IP Programs
Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP
UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW
Two White Street
Concord, NH 03301
USA
Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: 1-603-513-5143
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Selected writings available on the Social Science Research
Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
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