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Re: [council] Council/Chair interaction

  • To: tim@xxxxxxxxxxx
  • Subject: Re: [council] Council/Chair interaction
  • From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:57:36 +0100
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Adrian, Tim,

Needless to say I am surprised by your reaction to something that seems (to me) 
as innocuous as a mailing list.

Maybe it would be helpful for me to go into more detail about why I think this 
is useful, and provide examples.

One example that comes to my mind is that there could be benefit to the Council 
leadership and C and SG leadership in coordinating submissions to the budget 
requests.  For example, one constituency might have a good idea about a budget 
item that they plan to submit as a request. Another group might also want to 
submit the same request, if they knew it was being suggested by one group. As a 
separate entity, the Council might also be in that situation. The budget 
request procedure is new this year (we were sent the forms a while back by 
Glen, I have asked for guidance and more information on how to use them and 
will keep the Council informed when I get that). This kind of thing might help 
us manage this kind of process better.

Another possible example might be in planning for public meetings.  For 
example, there has been uncertainty about whether the contracted and 
non-contracted party houses should meet (separately) on either Saturday or 
Sunday... Olga can tell us how this is shaping up for the SF meeting, but I can 
tell you from first-hand experience of working on planning our meetings with 
Glen for the past year that this has always been difficult to handle.

Another point I would make is that this is consistent with the proposal that 
came out of the OSC's CCT work team (which is now closed) which pointed out the 
need for greater inter SO and AC communication and better communication with 
the Board.

As Councillors, we obviously feel (and rightly feel I think) that it is our job 
to liaise with our respective groups. But I think there could be other, 
non-policy-specific matters where coordination would be of benefit and would 
probably lighten the load on the Council as a whole, if the leaders handle that.

I hope this is helpful for you to better understand the way I am looking at 
this and why I think it is useful. Please understand that I have no religion on 
this. I merely proposed this to try and improve communications and processes as 
I have just described. This list can be deleted at once if the Council as a 
whole decides it should be.



Le 19 janv. 2011 à 17:28, tim@xxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :

> Mason has not discussed it with the wider SG, nor even the rest of the ExCom 
> to my knowledge.
> It is the Councilors' place to have that dialogue with their SG leadership. 
> If there is some kind of disconnect between the Councilors and their SG then 
> that needs to be resolved by them, not by circumventing the structure we have 
> so painstakingly put in place.
> It takes more than a straw poll to change that structure. 
> Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sender: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:57:53 
> To: Tim Ruiz<tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [council] Council/Chair interaction
> Thanks Tim.
> How do others on the Council feel?
> Tim, Adrian, please note that our Chair Mason Cole has expressed his support 
> for this.
> Stéphane
> Le 19 janv. 2011 à 14:35, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
>> Was this discussed with the Council as a whole? Nothing like this should
>> be done without fromal approval of the Council. For the record, I do not
>> agree with this and do not believe the "Council leadership" was put in
>> place to take such actions independently of the rest of the Council.
>> Tim
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [council] Council/Chair interaction
>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Date: Tue, January 18, 2011 10:44 am
>>> To: GNSO Council 
>>> Councillors,
>>> I wanted to inform you that I have suggested to your group Chairs that a 
>>> mailing list be created to link the C and SG leadership with the Council 
>>> leadership.
>>> Their response was very much in favour, so a mailing list will be set up 
>>> for the Council leaders (Chair and VC) and the group leaders (Chair and VC).
>>> The idea is to improve informal communications between the group leadership 
>>> and the Council.
>>> We are also thinking about a regular conf call at some point, but this is 
>>> not set in stone yet.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stéphane

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