Re: AW: [council] RE: Motion re. VI WG

["Wolf-Ulrich Knoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree to all steps suggested. I should feel much more comfortable having 
really understood the problems. I support the idea to either hold a separate 
meeting or spend more time on this topic at a regular meeting.
But a kind of "final" report is needed for this purpose.

With regards to the board expecting a clear answer to its inquiry I would 
prefer the council in its answer should not just repeat the WG's input but also 
explain what could be the next "management" steps in order to decide whether to 
follow-up with the PDP or to debrief.
At least something should be mentioned about the WG's goal to produce the final 
report before 18 Nov and the council's plans what next.

Wolf-Ulrich
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tim Ruiz 
  To: cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Cc: cgreer@xxxxxxxxx ; andrei@xxxxxxxx ; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:44 PM
  Subject: RE: AW: [council] RE: Motion re. VI WG


  I agree as long as it is an excercise to help us With our decision
  making and not any attempt for Council to try and do what the WG could
  not. But I think we should wait for the final report and review that
  first. It shouldn't take long (to produce or to review) because it will
  be substantially the same as the interim report. Then we can decide if
  such a meeting/report would be useful.


  Tim

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  > Subject: RE: AW: [council] RE: Motion re. VI WG
  > From: "Gomes, Chuck" 
  > Date: Fri, October 01, 2010 6:55 am
  > To: "Caroline Greer" , , 
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  > Re: AW: [council] RE: Motion re. VI WG
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  > Unfortunately, as is usually the case, our agenda is stretched
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  > a meeting all its own, so maybe we should consider scheduling a separate
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  > owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
  > Of Caroline Greer
  > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:46 AM
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  > Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE: Motion re. VI WG
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  > I quite like
  > this idea Andrei and I think that this is such a big issue for the GNSO 
that we
  > should ensure that we understand where the conflicts lie and where we go 
from
  > here. Not that any of us is incapable of reading and understanding the 
report but
  > it would be good to get a quick summary report and diagnosis (to use your 
word
  > Andrei) from the Chairs. I think it would be useful to hear from them 
whether
  > more time would be worthwhile or whether we really are just at the end of 
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  > road (my own sense is the latter by the way).
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  > Would this be of interest to others and would we have time on the agenda 
Chuck?
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  > Thanks.
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  > Caroline Greer
  > Director of Policy
  > dotMobi
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  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  > To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  > Sent: Fri Oct 01 11:20:42 2010
  > Subject: RE: AW: [council] RE: Motion re. VI WG
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  > May I ask a question. While there is no consensus within VI WG, instead of
  > discussing administrative / procedural issues on how to report / respond to 
the
  > Board, why don�t we try to discuss main issues of WG disagreements one 
more
  > time?
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  > It will be very convenient to have a short summary presentation of WG 
chair. To
  > be honest, scrolling 178 pages I�ve got an expression that this huge 
piece of
  > professional work, votes on variants, reference materials� all this just 
to get
  > around some very basic facts of conflicting interests.  Should we try to
  > get right diagnosis at least?
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  > Thank you!
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  > --andrei
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  > From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
  > On Behalf Of Stephane Van Gelder
  > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:04 AM
  > To: Adrian Kinderis
  > Cc: tim@xxxxxxxxxxx; owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx;
  > cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  > Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE: Motion re. VI WG
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  > Let me be clear: I don't want to drag this on anymore than anyone else.
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  > My question is: can the Council take it upon himself to call a WG's report
  > final and consider its work done, even though that's not what the WG itself 
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  > I'm all for executive decisions, as long as they are made within the process
  > that's been set for the body making them.
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  > Stéphane Van Gelder
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  > Le 1 oct. 2010 Ã  03:04, Adrian Kinderis a
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  >         I believe it was �hasn�t� and
  > �won�t� reach consensus, which is the key part here Stephane.
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  >         Let�s wind it up gang.
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  >         Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE:
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  >         I disagree. The discussion isn't on
  > whether we end the WG or not. I was reacting to Wolf's proposed change
  > indicating that the WG was to submit a final report by a set date, something
  > which the WG has not confirmed to us.
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  >         The only formal communication we
  > have from them is that they haven't reached consensus.
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  >         Stéphane Van Gelder
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  >         Le 30 sept. 2010 Ã  19:35,
  > tim@xxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :
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  >         I think we (the Council) have enough
  > to go on to make a decision about it. The very fact that they are 
submitting a
  > "final" report tells us that we either need to reconstitute this PDP
  > under a new charter or end it all together. This is our call at this point, 
not
  > the WGs.
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  >         Tim
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  >         From: Stéphane Van Gelder 
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  >         Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:32:38
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  >         I don't agree with your change Wolf
  > unless it is confirmed by the WG chairs.
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  >         My understanding is the same as
  > Chucks: they are currently in discussion with the group on next steps and
  > nothing has been decided yet.
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  >         Stéphane
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  >         Le 30 sept. 2010 Ã  15:19,
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  >         I've inserted an amendment in the
  > "Whereas..." which reflects the co-chairs' response - as mentioned in
  > my E-Mail earlier today and would be glad you accept this as friendly.
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  >         Best regards
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  >         Wolf-Ulrich
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  > Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
  > Im Auftrag von Gomes, Chuck
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  >         Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. September
  > 2010 14:37
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  >         An: Gomes, Chuck; Council GNSO
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  >         Betreff: [council] RE: Motion re. VI
  > WG
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  >         I  am accepting one of Adrian�s
  > suggested amendments to this motion as friendly and change it as 
highlighted in
  > the attached file.  Other suggested amendments are welcome.  Note
  > also that a second is needed.
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  >         Chuck 
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  >         From: Gomes, Chuck
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  >         Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010
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  >         Subject: Motion re. VI WG
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  >         In response to the Board retreat
  > resolution regarding VI and in order to meet the 8-day advance requirement 
for
  > motions, I am submitting this motion and would appreciate a second. 
  > Please forward this to your SGs and constituencies to determine support for 
the
  > motion on 7 October.
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  >         I am not opposed to other ways of
  > accomplishing this, but thought that a motion is a clear way to kick it off.
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