Re: [council] Updated draft Terms of Reference for a community WG charter on "Recommendation 6"

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Bill,

I can only concur with Tim's response. If you are asking me to justify a WG 
that I don't even think should exist in the first place at this late stage in 
the new gTLD program discussions, I'm afraid I cannot.

But given that this WG exists, I think it crucial that it be given a timeline 
that is coherent with what's really happening in the new gTLD program at the 
moment.

And that is that the Board is dedicating its September retreat to this topic, 
presumably with the intent of moving it forward enough to be able to sign off 
on a final AG at Cartagena.

I am fully supportive of this intent and think that if ICANN is not able to 
bring the program to a close at the end of this year, we risk becoming 
irrelevant and farcical in the eyes of the world at large.

It will never be possible to iron out all the issues, but God knows we've tried 
and we haven't taken a foolhardy approach to all of this. It is time to launch, 
now!

If there is a need to discuss MAPO then fine, let's do it within the allotted 
timeline.

The new gTLD program is a GNSO policy. One of its major premises is that new 
gTLDs should be rolled out in a timely and predictable manner. This has not 
been the case.

It's high time the GNSO took a firm stance on defending the policy it approved 
by supermajority vote way back in the summer of 2007.

Stéphane

Le 26 août 2010 à 18:11, Tim Ruiz a écrit :

> This is starting to sound like the Whois debates.
> 
> The GNSO discussed/debated these issues thoroughly and agreed on the
> resultant policy. We should continue to support that policy and point to
> the record of those discussions. If relatively minor changes in the
> language would be helpful (legal/illegal vs. mapo), we can simply form a
> drafting team to work on that and create a response to the GAC and
> direction to Staff. 
> 
> 
> Tim
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [council] Updated draft Terms of Reference for a community
> > WG charter on "Recommendation 6"
> > From: William Drake 
> > Date: Thu, August 26, 2010 10:59 am
> > To: Stéphane Van Gelder
> > Cc: Council GNSO 
> > 
> > Hi Stéphane
> > 
> > While debating across two lists has some drawbacks, since you've raised 
> > this here I have two questions.  Given a) the evolving state of the GAC's 
> > thinking, and the fact that it's divided a bit with a few pushing a stance 
> > that arguably is inconsistent and potentially worse than MAPO while many 
> > other members appear not to have settled on a stance and weighed in as yet, 
> > and b) there's a whole AC (ALAC) that opposes MAPO as is, a position with 
> > which NCUC concurs,
> > 
> > *could you give me some vision of the scenario in which we resolve 
> > everything on a consensual basis in less than three weeks?  how does that 
> > work, the two AC's and other unhappy types just relent and say never mind, 
> > sorry to have disturbed you, we're fine with it as is?
> > *what kind of signal would a hard deadline of 13 Sept convey to the GAC 
> > about the seriousness with which we regard their objections and the extent 
> > to which we are prepared to engage with them in problem solving?
> > 
> > Just wondering,
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
> > 
> > On Aug 26, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> > As an FYI to the Council, I think I should add to Liz' message that the 
> > redline part is a discussion that Avri and I have started. I am arguing 
> > that the WG should be very strict in its goal to finish its work by the 
> > suggested Sept 13 deadline (which is calculated to allow the group's report 
> > to be sent to the Board in time for the September retreat).
> > 
> > As such, I suggested as you can see in the redline that the word 
> > "preliminary" be stricken. My rationale being that the group should not 
> > start off with the expectation that its set deadline is only for an interim 
> > report, but instead work towards reaching its final objectives in the 
> > allotted time.
> > 
> > This suggestion has met with widespread support from the group. Avri 
> > however suggested that written this way, the final sentence of the ToR's 
> > timeline leaves the document a little unfinished. She suggested adding the 
> > sentence shown. I am not in favour, as it reintroduces the notion that it's 
> > OK to miss the deadline and carry on working after that deadline has 
> > passed. Plus it seems obvious that if the group feels there is more work to 
> > do, it will undertake to do it.
> > 
> > This point is still being discussed by the group.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Stéphane
> > 
> > Le 26 août 2010 à 02:41, Liz Gasster a écrit :
> > All,
> >  
> > Attached please find the draft charter Terms of Reference for this new 
> > community working group, as recently updated by drafting team participants. 
> >  Redline items are noted for further discussion.
> >  
> > Thanks, Liz
> >  
> > 
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