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RE: [council] AoC RT Endorsement Process, Motion, and Amendments
- To: William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [council] AoC RT Endorsement Process, Motion, and Amendments
- From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:08:48 +1000
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- Thread-topic: [council] AoC RT Endorsement Process, Motion, and Amendments
Bill,
. I thought we were elected to represent our respective slices of the
community and after consulting with them could act in their names, and if they
don't like what we've done we get unelected in the next cycle.
Is this not the same debate as "participatory vs representative"?
For what it is worth, I share the same quandary.
Adrian Kinderis
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of William Drake
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:17 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: Rosette, Kristina; GNSO Council List; Knobenw
Subject: Re: [council] AoC RT Endorsement Process, Motion, and Amendments
Hello,
It seems there are two levels to this discussion. The broader one concerns the
nature and role of the Council. Kristina argues that the Council " has been
greatly restricted in the restructuring and the initially proposed mechanism
goes beyond that role," and that "having a slightly more complicated process at
the SG level is far preferable to having the Council take on an SG role and
make nominations independent of the community." I wasn't around when the
veterans among us were having the constitutional discussions leading to Council
reform, so I guess I'm not sufficiently clueful on how everyone sees this.
While I understand that Council is now supposed to be more a
coordinator/facilitator of community processes than the doer of all things, I
did not take this to mean that it cannot legitimately make decisions via votes
on matters like adding a person or two to enhance the diversity of the GNSO's
RT nominations because that would be acting independently of the community. I
thought we were elected to represent our respective slices of the community and
after consulting with them could act in their names, and if they don't like
what we've done we get unelected in the next cycle. So then what decisions can
we take that do not constitute acting independently of the community, where's
the boundary line? If I'm the only one who is perplexed I hope someone will
straighten me out in Brussels...
Anyway, on the issue at hand, Chuck your understanding of the drafting team's
proposal is not different from everyone else's. The text clearly says "The
Council will consider the resulting list of up to four nominees at its next
teleconference. If the list does not meet the above mentioned diversity
objectives, the Council as a whole may choose to endorse up to two additional
candidates..." Two additional is additive, not substitutive. To my knowledge,
the notion that after considering diversity options the Council would endorse
only four (Kristina's Step 2, below) is new, it wasn't included in the
amendment language she sent to the list (quoted at the bottom) and I don't
recall anyone suggesting it on the call. From my standpoint, this is even more
problematic than what we were talking about previously. It would either a)
astronomically politicize the process by raising the prospect that Council
could overturn SG's one-per endorsements, leading to inter-SG squabbling over
whose gets dumped and associated bad feelings...and talk about undercutting SG
sovereignty!; or b) create really strong disincentives to do anything to
enhance diversity in order to avoid that scenario.
The whole point of the drafting team proposal was to make the process simple
and apolitical, driven in large part by the fact that the ATRT model with the
two competitive seats appeared to generate a lot of confusion and agitation
within one SG in Nairobi. This proposal would plunge us far in the opposite
direction.
Circling back to what we were talking about yesterday, the text below that
Kristina sent Thursday during the call says, "the Council as a whole may choose
to endorse up to two additional candidates, from among those identified by the
stakeholder groups under item 2." That plainly means only those identified by
the stakeholder groups under item 2, there's no misunderstanding here. In
yesterday's message she instead proposes what Chuck suggested on the call, that
the rest of the pool could in fact be considered, but only after Council has
discussed SGs' back-up endorsements. This is better from the standpoint of
those of us who think Council should be able to consider the whole pool, but as
I said yesterday it's not obvious why we would need to legislate what we would
undoubtedly do anyway based on common sense and courtesy. But if it makes
folks happier....While we're at it, maybe we should also codify the precise
sequence of the discussion, i.e. the order in which SG back-ups get considered
and the time allotted to each?
Best,
Bill
On Jun 14, 2010, at 6:24 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
All this makes me think that my understanding may be different than everyone
else. I understood that endorsements by the SGs would remain regardless of
what the Council might do to improve diversity. If the Council was successful
at gaining support for one or two candidates that improved the diversity of the
pool, then the pool of endorsed candidates would increase to 5 or 6 depending
on whether one or two additional candidates were selected. The difference as I
understood it between what Kristina proposed and the original procedure, which
is apparently wrong, was that the step in the original procedures the Council
would look at the full slate of candidates seeking GNSO endorsement while what
I thought Kristina suggested was that the Council would first look at SG named
alternates first and only if that was unsuccessful would they look at the full
slate of candidates seeking GNSO endorsement.
Chuck
From: Rosette, Kristina [mailto:krosette@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:17 PM
To: William Drake; Gomes, Chuck
Cc: GNSO Council List; Knobenw
Subject: RE: [council] AoC RT Endorsement Process, Motion, and Amendments
I hope I'm responding to the most recent message. If not, would someone please
forward it? (All of my email rules have disappeared and I now have thousands
of messages in my in box.)
The concern driving the proposed amendment is that the Council's role has been
greatly restricted in the restructuring and the initially proposed mechanism
goes beyond that role. The greater specificity in the process, the greater the
certainty. There was concern that the Council would move directly to the
broader applicant pool without considering the SG additional candidates.
To avoid any confusion about my proposed amendments (and it appears there may
be some), here's the step-by-step for the two scenarios
Scenario 1 (diversity goals met with SG nominees): Council receives 4
nominated (or whatever we're calling them) candidates (1 from each SG),
diversity goals are satisfied, so Council endorses all four candidates.
Scenario 2 (diversity goals not met):
Step1: Council receives 4 nominated SG candidates (1 from each SG), but
diversity goals are not met.
Step 2: Council then considers the 6 additional candidates (2 SGs named 1, 2
SGs named 2) named by the SGs. If consideration of these additonal candidates
results in a slate that meets diverseity goals, Council endorses 4 candidates.
If not, see Step 3.
Step 3: Council then considers all remaining persons in the applicant pool
(e.g., all persons who submitted applications but weren't nomiated by SGs or
identified as "additional candidates). The last sentence in my number 4 was
directed to this step.
If my proposed amendments did not make that clear, please let me at what step
they weren't clear enough.
________________________________
From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 11:30 AM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: GNSO Council List; Rosette, Kristina; Knobenw
Subject: Re: [council] AoC RT Endorsement Process, Motion, and Amendments
Hi Chuck
On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
I personally support the motion as proposed because I think the required
threshold of 60% of each house for any additional candidates provides more than
enough protection to ensure SG support. That would require 5 affirmative votes
for the CPH and 8 affirmative votes of the NCPH, so no SG could control the
vote, not even with the NCA vote. With that protection, it seems problematic
to add more complexity to the process.
At the same time, if there are those who cannot support the original motion as
is, I think I could support a modification that would do the following:
1. If the Council decides to try to improve the diversity of the pool of
GNSO endorsed candidates, they would first consider those alternate candidates
proposed by the SGs, if any.
Wouldn't we do this anyone as a matter of courtesy and common sense without
codifying it? If there's a pool of 8 candidates and SGs have come to internal
agreement that they could support persons x y and z, presumably their reps
would indicate that when the conversation begins and we'd commence talking
about x y and z before moving on to the five nobody had yet preferred. Would
anyone really say well, your SG may like Ms. x but I refuse to talk about her
and insist we start with someone nobody's said they favor?
(One flaw with this as Bill noted in our meeting last week is that an SG could
submit all remaining candidates as alternates.)
After I said that, somewhat in jest, Kristina specified in the amendment,
"notify Council of one or two additional candidates whom it could support, if
available."
2. If the Council is unable to approve any additional candidates to
improve diversity of the pool using only SG proposed alternates, then they
could consider the entire set of candidates requesting GNSO endorsement.
3. I would add one new wrinkle to this: SG's should only propose
alternates that are of a different geographical location or gender than their
primary candidate. In fact this would probably be a useful amendment to the
original motion.
I'd favor that, but not if it's tied to prohibiting the Council from even
considering people who were not so designated.
What the IPC is proposing is that only applicants that SGs have previously
designated as acceptable back-ups could even be considered by the Council for
this purpose.
[Gomes, Chuck] I didn't understand it as this restrictive. I thought Kristina
said that the SG alternatives would be considered first; then if that didn't
result in a successful resolution, other candidates could be considered.
That's what you suggested as an alternative. Kristina's text says
3. Change third bullet of #2 to read: Each stakeholder group is encouraged to
(a) identify in its internal deliberations and (b) notify Council of one or two
additional candidates whom it could support, if available, in the event that
the diversity procedure outlined in item 4 below is utilized.
4. Change the now-third sentence of point 4 to read: If, however, the list
does not meet the above mentioned diversity objectives, the Council as a whole
may choose to endorse up to two additional candidates, from among those
identified by the stakeholder groups under item 2, who would help to give the
list of GNSO nominees the desired balance. If consideration of these
additional stakeholder group-identified candidates does not meet the diversity
objectives, the Council may refer to the GNSO applicant pool to identify these
additional candidates.
So anyone in the applicant pool who has not been specifically endorsed for
possible consideration could not be considered.
Best,
Bill
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