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RE: [council] Meeting Protocol for Brussels and beyond...
- To: "GNSO Council " <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [council] Meeting Protocol for Brussels and beyond...
- From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:10:25 -0700
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font-size:10pt;"><div>Adrian,</div>
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<div>I agree that we need to be sure that Councilors have a place at the table.
In fact, I think the Council as a whole was in agreement with that when we
discussed it a few meetings back.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The working sessions are not formal Council meetings and have always
been open to the public. I realize you are not suggesting that they shouldn't
be, but I think that as such we have to expect, and even provide for, a certain
amount of public participation.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Personally, I would not want to be responsible for fielding others'
questions. It would be distracting to my own thought process (perhaps my age
plays a role there ;), and I would worry about not getting it right and
the Council missing any nuances that may be communicated when someone speaks
for themselves.</div>
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<div>Perhaps having a bit more structure around these working sessions would be
helpful. We could designate specific periods for questions and comments
from the general public, or specify what period of time is allowed for strictly
Council discussion and/or Council discussion with Staff opening it up to
everyone after that.</div>
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<div>Tim </div>
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<DIV id=wmQuoteWrapper>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re:
[council] Meeting Protocol for Brussels and beyond...<BR>From: William Drake
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Wed, June 02, 2010 5:05 am<BR>To: Adrian Kinderis <<a
href="mailto://adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><BR>Cc:
"<a href="mailto://council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a> Council"
<<a
href="mailto://council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><BR><BR>Last
time around the bend, then back to work...
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<DIV>On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:</DIV><BR
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I guess we just have different mental models of bottom up
democratic processes. Yours is strictly representative, mine's
participatory. </DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 11pt">AK>> How is asking a representative or the Chair to ask
your question not participatory? You are still in the room. You still have a
voice…</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>As a matter of principle I think people should be able to speak
in their own voices, elaborate, and follow up rather than settling for someone
else reading a short statement or whatever that won't their nuances etc.
Pretty artificial, and would create quite the atmosphere in the
room...<BR>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">An inexact parallel but it speaks to worldviews—in related
intergovernmental organization processes, most governments have made clear they
would like global business, the Internet technical community, and civil society
to sit quietly or not even be in the room on the grounds that they sufficiently
represent all our viewpoints. For those of us who have battled to open
these processes up to more diverse voices, it would be rather odd to then turn
around and impose limitations in the bodies we tout as superior precisely
because they allow open participation.<o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-AU>AK>> That paragraph has to be somewhat of an
overreaction and emotional hoo-haa!
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Yup, dat's me</DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-AU>Once again, how is my suggestion not open
participation. I am not sure that my suggestion hurts anyone’s civil liberties
or restrict basic human rights but I could be wrong… Why aren’t all these folks
jumping up and down about the Board having completely closed sessions with
ICANN staff? How is it any
different?</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'd be happy to jump on that one. In fact, I'd be happy if
Council were to express such concerns with the RT, if they're shared.
FWIW NCSG and ALAC recently sent a letter to the board expressing
concerns about the non-transparent and sometimes problematic briefing docs
provided to board by staff. <A
href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/correspondence-4-20may10-en.htm";
target=_blank>http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/correspondence-4-20may10-en.htm</A><BR>
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rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-AU>In the same vain why aren’t our
GNSO calls open for the public?</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-AU>AK>> I note no response
here...</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>In principle, it wouldn't bother me if "Councilors speak first
and non-Councilors keep it brief and to the point" rules applied, a slot could
be saved at the end of each topic or call for a quick question or intervention.
In practice, since we struggle to get through the agendas in two hours
anyway, one imagines the time available would get squeezed to zilch quite
often, in which case comments we didn't get to could be sent by email.<BR>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR:
rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-AU>I also think it is important to
raise the profile of our Councilors (and the prestige for that matter). Folks
should be made to feel comfortable to use them to convey a point of view. Also,
Councilors work very hard, it could be considered a position of value to have
been elected to sit at the table and to have the ability to converse directly
with Staff and the Board. You never know, it may entice more folks to want to
put themselves forward as Councilors if they can see an immediate
benefit.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">You really believe that the status (don't know about
'prestige') of Councilors is reduced if someone sitting off the table is called
on to offer some thoughts after we've had our turns?
<o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: red;
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">AK>> Yup. That is why I wrote it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-AU>I think talking to repeat offenders
“offline” is a useless exercise and potentially creates a difficult and
embarrassing situation. Why should we have to play police officer? I’d like to
avoid that tension completely.</SPAN><SPAN
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I agree it's awkward and hasn't worked sufficiently, but one
could always redouble the effort and up the ante a bit.<SPAN style="COLOR:
rgb(31,73,125)"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 11pt">AK>> Please propose a method and an executioner. I have
enough people that think I’m a jerk and don’t need any
help…</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Well, I don't want to put anyone on the spot, but we do have
people in leadership positions. Or we could designate a diplomatically
deft ambassador; would you like to volunteer? ;-)<BR>
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rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-AU>With reference to my offer for
drinks... we did it, but I had too many members of the public claiming their
right for a drink and ran out of money ;)</SPAN><SPAN
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt">NC missed the memo :-(<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR:
rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-AU>By the way, I am against any
invitation or information with the words “inter alia” included. Makes me feel
that only the smart people are invited...</SPAN><SPAN
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sorry, I do sometimes slip into UN-speak. Chuck busted
me the other day for referring to the "ICANN Secretariat" in a draft doc,
sigh... But rest assured, it's a free open air concert and Toots will
serenade all comers without regard to stakeholder group or
other identities...<o:p></o:p></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 11pt">AK>> So I’ll be able to participate in the concert then
with my rendition of a few Led Zepplin songs played on my harmonica? I trust
they don’t limit participation on the stage
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<DIV><BR></DIV>As long as you can say I and I feel irie without laughing and
have a better voice than Robert Plant, Toots might accommodate you...
Wouldn't be hard...</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
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<DIV>Bill</DIV>
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class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Wednesday, 2 June 2010 4:20
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Adrian
Kinderis<BR><B>Cc:</B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
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class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Council<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [council] Meeting Protocol for
Brussels and beyond...</SPAN><SPAN
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU>On Jun 2, 2010, at 2:24 AM, Adrian Kinderis
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU>I would like to suggest that there be no
questions from the floor during these
sessions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU>When we last had this conversation didn't we
decide against </SPAN><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt" lang=EN-AU>draconian
measures that would preclude community participation (and were hence poorly
received by some) and for some intermediate steps like only Councilors at the
table, chair gives preference to Councilor comments and right sizes the time
for others, etc? If people think this has not worked sufficiently,
wouldn't it be possible to simply have an offline conversation with the most
relevant parties saying please respect the following ground rules, and to
reiterate these at the outset of meetings?</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU>On Jun 2, 2010, at 2:51 AM, Adrian Kinderis
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU>I'll shout an extra round at the bar on
Saturday night to make up for it :)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU>Hmm...didn't I hear something like this a few
meetings ago, didn't materialize... :-)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU>BTW, on the matter of after hour amusement,
perhaps I'll pass along something I pointed out to NCSG, might be of interest
to some here:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU><BR>On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:33 PM, William
Drake<BR><<A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
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wrote:<BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN lang=EN-AU>Just an FYI for people who will be attending
ICANN Brussels, as with Paris two summers ago, this meeting overlaps with the
annual Fete de la Musique held across France, Belgium, Switzerland, etc.
Just had a look at the program <A style="COLOR: blue;
TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://2010.fetedelamusique.be/recherches?tid=&tid_1=All&city=Bruxelles";
target=_blank>http://2010.fetedelamusique.be/recherches?tid=&tid_1=All&city=Bruxelles</A> and
inter alia Saturday night 19th Toots and the Maytals is playing in the park
near the conference site.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE:
13.5pt"><BR><SPAN class=apple-style-span>William J. Drake</SPAN><BR><SPAN
class=apple-style-span>Senior Associate</SPAN><BR><SPAN
class=apple-style-span>Centre for International Governance</SPAN><BR><SPAN
class=apple-style-span>Graduate Institute of International
and</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=apple-style-span> Development
Studies</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=apple-style-span>Geneva,
Switzerland</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=apple-style-span><A style="COLOR: blue;
TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="mailto:william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A></SPAN><BR><SPAN
class=apple-style-span><A style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html";
target=_blank>www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html</A></SPAN><BR><SPAN
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J. Drake<BR>Senior Associate<BR>Centre for
International Governance<BR>Graduate Institute of International
and<BR> Development Studies<BR>Geneva, Switzerland<BR><A
href="mailto:william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><a
href="http://www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html";>www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html</a><BR>***********************************************************<BR><BR></SPAN></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></span></body></html>
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