RE: [council] AoC Reveiw Team Re-do...

["Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I haven't seen anyone question whether Janis and Peter have an
understanding of the process. Clearly, they are only going to consider
applicants we endorse. Of course, they had also thought we would be
inclusive and endorse all that met the criteria, but of course that
isn't what we're doing. 

What I am proposing is that each SG simply present a list of any number
of the applicants that they endorse. Those are compiled by the Council
and presented as candidates endorsed by this SG or that SG. The Council
is not the GNSO, the SGs make up the GNSO and we represent them.


Tim  
 
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Subject: RE: [council] AoC Reveiw Team Re-do...
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, March 09, 2010 3:28 am
To: <KnobenW@xxxxxxxxxx>, <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>, 
<william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

I talked to Janis yesterday and explained the process to him so I
believe he has a clear understanding of it.

Chuck 

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> 
> I don't see other candidates than the 12 on the website 
> published. And it's up to the SGs to decide their preferences 
> according to the rules. I've spoken to Janis this morning, 
> and he acknowledged our process. He promised to coordinate 
> with Peter in this regard.
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> Wolf-Ulrich 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Tim Ruiz
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. März 2010 02:23
> An: William Drake
> Cc: GNSO Council
> Betreff: RE: [council] AoC Reveiw Team Re-do...
> 
> 
> This is what I was concerned about and voiced more than once 
> when coming
> up with this process. That endorsement or lack thereof didn't keep the
> other applicants from still being considered by Peter and Janis.
> However, that is now exactly what is going to happen. That may be what
> some of you had assumed, but it was not my understanding.
> 
> We and other SO/ACs have applicants that some of us don't know. So in
> most cases we're just going to toss them out because we don't 
> have time
> to look into them further, actually talk to the applicants, 
> etc. What we
> should be doing is pushing back hard on this to allow sufficient time
> for us to do this. It is too important to rush through, but that's
> exactly what we're doing.
> 
> In addition, some SGs cannot even follow their normal 
> processes to make
> selections. That isn't fair to the SG at large, or to the candidates.
> 
> At the very least, we should be looking at how we can endorse the
> largest number of candidates, not some arbitrary number. I also don't
> agree that we will be limited to 2 GNSO candidates on the RT. If we
> assume that, it certainly will be that. But I think there is 
> a realistic
> opportunity it could be 3 or even 4. We should continue to 
> push back on
> that as well, and having a larger field of GNSO candidates 
> for Peter and
> Janis to select from would make that easier.
> 
> In any event, the RrSG has so far been able to narrow down the
> candidates we would endorse to 4. But that was done arbitrarily due to
> lack of time. Since there is no time to fully engage our SG 
> at large we
> very well may be submitting all 4 names with the expectation that all
> would be considered by Peter and Janis for selection. IMO, 
> anything else
> would be unfair to both the applicants and the SG.
> 
> We throw process out the window all the time - every time we do a PDP
> for example. So to refuse to at least make some exceptions now for SGs
> that request it would seem disingenuous to me.
> 
> Tim
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [council] AoC Reveiw Team Re-do...
> From: William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Mon, March 08, 2010 3:18 pm
> To: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: "GNSO Council " <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Given what Janis and Peter said during the AoC Q&A this morning
> > including the fact that the review team will be larger than first
> > proposed, we should re-think our endorsement process and only be
> > considering who if any of the twelve we do not endorse and 
> submit the
> > rest.
> 
> That is the process we have now. We nominate up to four for the
> allocated slots. We have two competitive slots, and we endorse the two
> people who get majorities of both houses in a vote. Those who are
> thereby endorsed we submit, those who are not thereby 
> endorsed we don't
> submit.
> 
> Which is precisely what was agreed in the room. GNSO, ALAC, and ccNSO
> all expressed surprise and dismay when Peter sort of loosely suggested
> at the outset that all candidates be sent to them, as we'd all
> constructed processes for community endorsement based on our
> understandings of prior communications and our expectations of the
> function the selectors would be expecting us to serve, vetting and
> reducing the load on them. When pressed, he reversed course. CLO and I
> both asked point blank if we shouldn't send along just those names our
> communities agreed to endorse, not the ones our communities 
> had decided
> not to endorse, and he said yes. Twice.
> 
> We have a process that's been agreed by us and by the Selectors, one
> which endorses representatives rather than passing along 
> anyone off the
> street, and it parallels what other SO/ACs are doing. As such, I don't
> understand what rethinking could be needed. 
> 
> > 
> > I think this should be kept simple. If any of the candidates have
> > endorsement of at least one SG they are included.
> 
> So each SG would endorse as many as they want and these would all be
> passed along? So one SG could nominate six (or sixty) while another SG
> nominated one, because it (correctly) understood we'd agreed to parity
> for the allocated slots and had to choose one? This would be extremely
> unfair and is the opposite of what we we negotiated.
> 
> > The names would be
> > submitted showing the SG(s) endorsement. This only slightly 
> changes what
> > the SG are required to do (reverses it), and resolves the gender and
> > geographic issues since it leaves it to Janis and Peter to sort out.
> > 
> > This also gives the most number of candidates an opportunity to be
> > considered and give the GNSO the best shot at being fully 
> represented on
> > the RT.
> 
> I don't understand this. If they decide GNSO gets two, which I believe
> they will, how would it increase our chances of having the two if we
> send more than the up to six agreed? 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bill
> 
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