RE: [council] AoC Reveiw Team Re-do...

["Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I talked to Janis yesterday and explained the process to him so I believe he 
has a clear understanding of it.

Chuck 

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> 
> I don't see other candidates than the 12 on the website 
> published. And it's up to the SGs to decide their preferences 
> according to the rules. I've spoken to Janis this morning, 
> and he acknowledged our process. He promised to coordinate 
> with Peter in this regard.
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> Wolf-Ulrich 
> 
> 
> 
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> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Tim Ruiz
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. März 2010 02:23
> An: William Drake
> Cc: GNSO Council
> Betreff: RE: [council] AoC Reveiw Team Re-do...
> 
> 
> This is what I was concerned about and voiced more than once 
> when coming
> up with this process. That endorsement or lack thereof didn't keep the
> other applicants from still being considered by Peter and Janis.
> However, that is now exactly what is going to happen. That may be what
> some of you had assumed, but it was not my understanding.
> 
> We and other SO/ACs have applicants that some of us don't know. So in
> most cases we're just going to toss them out because we don't 
> have time
> to look into them further, actually talk to the applicants, 
> etc. What we
> should be doing is pushing back hard on this to allow sufficient time
> for us to do this. It is too important to rush through, but that's
> exactly what we're doing.
> 
> In addition, some SGs cannot even follow their normal 
> processes to make
> selections. That isn't fair to the SG at large, or to the candidates.
> 
> At the very least, we should be looking at how we can endorse the
> largest number of candidates, not some arbitrary number. I also don't
> agree that we will be limited to 2 GNSO candidates on the RT. If we
> assume that, it certainly will be that. But I think there is 
> a realistic
> opportunity it could be 3 or even 4. We should continue to 
> push back on
> that as well, and having a larger field of GNSO candidates 
> for Peter and
> Janis to select from would make that easier.
> 
> In any event, the RrSG has so far been able to narrow down the
> candidates we would endorse to 4. But that was done arbitrarily due to
> lack of time. Since there is no time to fully engage our SG 
> at large we
> very well may be submitting all 4 names with the expectation that all
> would be considered by Peter and Janis for selection. IMO, 
> anything else
> would be unfair to both the applicants and the SG.
> 
> We throw process out the window all the time - every time we do a PDP
> for example. So to refuse to at least make some exceptions now for SGs
> that request it would seem disingenuous to me.
> 
> Tim
>  
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [council] AoC Reveiw Team Re-do...
> From: William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Mon, March 08, 2010 3:18 pm
> To: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: "GNSO Council " <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Given what Janis and Peter said during the AoC Q&A this morning
> > including the fact that the review team will be larger than first
> > proposed, we should re-think our endorsement process and only be
> > considering who if any of the twelve we do not endorse and 
> submit the
> > rest.
> 
> That is the process we have now. We nominate up to four for the
> allocated slots. We have two competitive slots, and we endorse the two
> people who get majorities of both houses in a vote. Those who are
> thereby endorsed we submit, those who are not thereby 
> endorsed we don't
> submit.
> 
> Which is precisely what was agreed in the room. GNSO, ALAC, and ccNSO
> all expressed surprise and dismay when Peter sort of loosely suggested
> at the outset that all candidates be sent to them, as we'd all
> constructed processes for community endorsement based on our
> understandings of prior communications and our expectations of the
> function the selectors would be expecting us to serve, vetting and
> reducing the load on them. When pressed, he reversed course. CLO and I
> both asked point blank if we shouldn't send along just those names our
> communities agreed to endorse, not the ones our communities 
> had decided
> not to endorse, and he said yes. Twice.
> 
> We have a process that's been agreed by us and by the Selectors, one
> which endorses representatives rather than passing along 
> anyone off the
> street, and it parallels what other SO/ACs are doing. As such, I don't
> understand what rethinking could be needed. 
> 
> > 
> > I think this should be kept simple. If any of the candidates have
> > endorsement of at least one SG they are included.
> 
> So each SG would endorse as many as they want and these would all be
> passed along? So one SG could nominate six (or sixty) while another SG
> nominated one, because it (correctly) understood we'd agreed to parity
> for the allocated slots and had to choose one? This would be extremely
> unfair and is the opposite of what we we negotiated.
> 
> > The names would be
> > submitted showing the SG(s) endorsement. This only slightly 
> changes what
> > the SG are required to do (reverses it), and resolves the gender and
> > geographic issues since it leaves it to Janis and Peter to sort out.
> > 
> > This also gives the most number of candidates an opportunity to be
> > considered and give the GNSO the best shot at being fully 
> represented on
> > the RT.
> 
> I don't understand this. If they decide GNSO gets two, which I believe
> they will, how would it increase our chances of having the two if we
> send more than the up to six agreed? 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bill
> 
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