RE: [council] Latest RAA amendments

["Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Alan,

I think before there are any further discussions, we need to make a
decision about what has been proposed now. There has to be an endpoint
at which we make a decision on these amendments one way or another.

My personal response to the issue raised below would be that the
suggested change is a very North American centric view of the world. And
I can tell you that it has been discussed at length multiple times. 


Tim 

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Subject: [council] Latest RAA amendments
From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, December 16, 2008 10:52 am
To: Liz Gasster <liz.gasster@xxxxxxxxx>, Tim Cole <Tim.Cole@xxxxxxxxx>,
GNSO Council <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


I have received a question from an ALAC member, and the answer might 
go a long way to understanding the current RAA situation.

The current version of the RAA amendment package includes two new 
changes, one of which provides contact information for registrars, 
the wording of which is widely felt to be inadequate since it could 
be a mail drop (or equivalent) and not the actual place of business.

The question is, if these last two changes have just been made, what 
is the inhibitor stopping additional changes to be made? The specific 
one in question here would:

"Registrars on their company Web sites must disclose the physical 
address of their business, including their headquarters office, and a 
reliable means to reach them by telephone and e-mail. Post office 
boxes and e-mail addresses are not sufficient."

Alan


>Alan,
>
>It seems amendments are still being made. Could you ask staff and 
>GNSO if they will accept the Consumer Reports standard Beau's proposing:
>
>>1. Identity:
>>Web sites should clearly disclose the physical location where they 
>>are produced, including an address, a telephone number or e-mail address.
>>Sites should clearly disclose their ownership, private or public, 
>>naming their parent company.
>>Sites should clearly disclose their purpose and mission.
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>>As someone who has investigated a number of mail-drop scam 
>>businesses, going the extra mile for physical location where the 
>>site is produced is necessary.
>>________________________________________
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>>[na-discuss-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Danny 
>>Younger [dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx]
>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:18 PM
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>>Subject: [NA-Discuss] Latest RAA amendment
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>>ICANN Staff is now throwing out last-minute sops in order to get 
>>the GNSO community to approve the RAA amendments as a package. The 
>>latest amendment added to the package is this:
>>
>>3.16 Registrar shall provide on its web site its accurate contact 
>>details including valid email and mailing address.
>>
>>Of course, this amendment still doesn't require the registrar to 
>>identify its primary place of business. The registrar could have 
>>its primary base of operations in India, yet work through a 
>>Delaware-based shell corporation that maintains a contact point at 
>>a Canadian mailboxes-r-us (which could serve as a valid email and 
>>mailing address).
>>
>>Dozens of Registrars located internationally are using "mail-drop" 
>>addresses and post office boxes in the United States and Canada as 
>>primary addresses -- do we want to encourage this deceptive 
>>behavior? The proposed amendment does little to nothing to address 
>>the concerned raised by users on this topic.
>>
>>Thanks to ICANN Staff for once more demonstrating that they will 
>>only give lip service to user concerns.
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