RE: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for clarification from Counsel

["Mike Rodenbaugh" <icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Chuck,

 

ICANN seems to have unlimited resources when it comes to newTLD policy
development.  It needs to deal with an abusive registration problem that is
large and is going to get exponentially worse in the newTLD environment. 

 

I disagree with the view that a PDP was premature to address fast flux
exploits.  We as a Council have no other process in place, and that problem
was and remains severe.  A broader focus on Abusive Registrations could
cover fast flux exploits, so that WG could wrap up.  But it has been highly
effective in documenting the scope of the fast-flux problem, and outlining
potential remedial measures.  How else would that work have happened?  What
do you propose with respect to Abusive Registration Policies?

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:33 PM
To: icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; GNSO Council
Subject: RE: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for
clarification from Counsel

 

Mike,

 

Please be careful about claiming that the GNSO Council found that abusive
registrations are within scope of policy development.  A vote to initiate a
PDP has an extremely low threshold and there has been no decision by the
Council that domain name abuse is within scope. On another level, it is not
the Council's role to define what is within scope so your point is somewhat
inappropriate even if it was accurate.

In my opinion, initiating a PDP on Domain Name Abuse would have a similar
result as we have seen in the Fast Flux PDP.  I am sure you read the
comments of one BC rep and former chair of that WG.  I personally think he
makes a strong case that we prematurely intiated a PDP for fast flux.  I
believe the Fast Flux PDP WG has done some very good work so I do not want
to minimize that, but I believe we would have been more effective if we
tackled the problem more deliberately instead of rushing into a PDP.

 

We have limited resources and if we rush into a PDP everytime there is a
problem even though there may not be a clear policy issue that could be
worked, we are going to burn people out and have trouble getting volunteers
in the future.  That won't result in good policy and it will limit our
abiltity to succeed on other policy development efforts.

 

Chuck

 


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From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 6:41 PM
To: GNSO Council
Subject: RE: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for
clarification from Counsel

Thanks Liz.  I appreciate the attempt to clarify, but I am still not clear
about what is in and out of potential scope.  With both the UDRP
(cybersquatting) and fast flux exploits, nobody would care whether the
domain in question was registered, if it were not used in a criminal and/or
infringing (aka abusive) manner.  The ICANN Board (wrt the UDRP) and ICANN
Staff and GNSO Council (wrt fast flux exploits) have found that abusive
registrations are within scope of GNSO policy development, and there is
further support for that in the mission statement.  

 

I don't understand the distinction that Staff seems to be trying to make
now, nor how it impacts the Council's decision-making on next steps to
address this Issues Report.  If any Councilors or Staff have ideas, I'd love
to hear them.  My thought is we should launch a PDP to determine whether
gTLD registries and registrars should have a consistent set of minimum
standards and processes to deal with abusive registrations.  Assuming so,
what are those standards and processes?  The Afilias funnel request provides
one possible way, several other ideas have been floated in the Fast Flux WG,
in ICM's .xxx proposal re "Rapid Takedown", and elsewhere.

 

Policy development is imperative to address the current volume of abusive
registrations, and especially with newTLDs coming online next year, and with
the expected growth in use of IDNs.  Private and public law enforcement
entities are already overstressed to deal with the volume and intensity of
abusive registration problems, and the growth of the domain space will only
increase that stress.  Businesses, individuals and non-profit entities
cannot be expected to continue footing the bill for so-called 'defensive
registrations' in effort to protect their brands, and instead ICANN must
develop post-registration mechanisms to effectively deal with abusive
registrations.  A solid set of minimum standards and processes, required of
all accredited registrars and gTLD registries, would be a good start.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 


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From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Liz Gasster
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:40 PM
To: icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'GNSO Council'
Subject: RE: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for
clarification from Counsel

 

Mike and all,

 

Thank you for your inquiry.  The sentences you asked about in the
registration abuse issues report should be read in the context of the
preceding sentences in that paragraph, which read as follows:

 

"Note, section 4.2.3 of the Registrar Accreditation Agreement between ICANN
and accredited registrars provides for the establishment of new and revised
consensus policies concerning the registration of domain names, including
abuse in the registration of names, but policies involving the use of a
domain name (unrelated to its registration) are outside the scope of
policies that ICANN could enforce on registries and/or registrars."

 

For your reference, RAA section 4.2.3 provides that ICANN may obligate
registrars to implement new policies concerning the "resolution of disputes
concerning the registration of Registered Names (as opposed to the use of
such domain names), including where the policies take into account use of
the domain names ..."

 

<http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-17may01.htm#4.2.3>

 

In the case of fast flux we said that some aspects of fast flux hosting are
within scope because fast flux involves the rapid update of nameserver
registration records in gTLDs.  Rapid update of nameserver registration
records specifically involves the registration of names, which can be
distinguished from a case where a name, once registered, resolves to a site
that contains infringing or otherwise abusive content.  While ICANN could
change policy with regard to updates of nameserver registration records,
ICANN might not be able to impose any new obligations on registrars
concerning pure content/use disputes.

 

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

 

Thanks, Liz

 

From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:51 AM
To: icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'GNSO Council'
Subject: RE: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for
clarification from Counsel

 

Sorry, tired today, re-sending to clarify that this is a request for
clarification from ICANN Counsel, not the GNSO Council.  Thanks.

 


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From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:36 AM
To: 'GNSO Council'
Subject: [council] Issues Report re Abuse Policies -- request for
clarification from Council

 

Hi,

 

I refer to Sec. 7.1 of the Report, which ends with these sentences:

 

The use of domain names may be taken into account when establishing or
changing registration policies. Thus, potential changes to existing
contractual provisions related to abuse in the registration of names would
be within scope of GNSO policy making. Consideration of new policies related
to the use of a domain name unrelated to its registration would not be
within scope.

 

Could ICANN Counsel please clarify this language?  Specifically, what could
be "use of a domain name unrelated to its registration"?  If this means "any
use of a domain name after it is registered", then how is that opinion
consistent with prior enactment of the UDRP, and Counsel's opinion in the
Issues Report re Fast Flux Hosting (Mar. 31, 2008, p. 14):

 

General Counsel's opinion is that some aspects relating to the subject of
fast flux hosting are within scope of the ICANN policy process and within
the scope of the GNSO. As fast flux 

hosting activities concern gTLDs, the issue is within the scope of the GNSO
to address.

 

This clarification and/or further analysis might be very helpful for the
Council in considering the latest Issues Report in the coming weeks, before
our next meeting.

 

Thanks,

Mike R.