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RE: [council] AWOL and the reform proposals
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- Subject: RE: [council] AWOL and the reform proposals
- From: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:44:47 -0700
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<html><body><div>Agreed. I think there are other clarifying questions that we
should ask as well. One I have is in regards to the selection of Councilors
from the stakeholder groups. There are differing views as what is meant.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>One interpretation is that each of the stakeholder groups will
individually select four Councilors from among their respective
group. The other intrepretation is that the supplier stakeholder
groups would together select eight councilors, four from each group. The
user stakeholder groups would do the same. It is a subtle but important
difference.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Of course the other possibility is that the BGC WG intended us to figure
out how that would work.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I think any clarifying questions of this nature are necessary prior to
forming a Council response to the report.</div>
<div><BR><BR>Tim <BR><BR></div>
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solid" webmail="1">-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: RE: [council]
AWOL and the reform proposals<BR>From: "Gomes, Chuck"
<cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Date: Fri, November 02, 2007 11:24 am<BR>To:
"Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx>, "Council
GNSO"<BR><council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Avri,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I did not assume such a restrictive role for the Council
under the proposed improvements, i.e., "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000 size=3> the Council only being responsible for process
management</FONT>". I assumed that the Council's responsibilities would
include policy management in a broader sense than just process management
although I think the two areas are hard to differentiate in some cases. I
fully agree with you that the policy items you identified should be the
responsibility of the Council under the proposed model and would add to your
examples the following: ensuring that policy development work complies with
Bylaws restrictions defining consensus policy development (a change recommended
in the recommendations) or, if the work does not apply as possible consensus
policy development, making that clear to the working group in advance and
throughout th!
e process as needed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>When I made my public comments in the GNSO Improvements
Workshop on Monday, I made them with the above assumption. That is why I
thought that there would still be good motivation to participate on the
Council. If in fact, the BGC WG intended the more restrictive role of the
Council as you concluded, then I would have more empathy for the concern
about attracting qualified participants to the Council.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=163160016-02112007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>It seems to me that it would be very good if you, as
chair, seek clarification from the BGC WG in this regard so that we know
whether or not there is a concern here that we should address or not.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>Chuck Gomes</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Avri
Doria<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 02, 2007 10:14 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Council
GNSO<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [council] AWOL and the reform
proposals<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi,
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>I sent the following in to the gnso-improvements list during the meeting
on Monday.</DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV>a.</DIV>
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<DIV>----</DIV>
<DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">To the members of the committee:</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">First I thank the working group for its efforts and
find myself in agreement with much of the report.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">While I agree that the GNSO Council should not be a
legislative body, I am concerned about scope in your definition of
"management." The report seems rather explicit in defining management solely as
responsibility for process. I think that the notion of management needs to be
expanded to include responsibility for Policy management.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I think the idea of the Council only being responsible
for process management is too limited. And while I accept the arguments that
this will make recruitment much more difficult, not only among constituencies
and stakeholder group, but within the Nomcom process, I think that this is the
lesser of the problems with this approach.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I support the idea of Working Groups, despite the
challenge involved in creating working groups that are of sufficiently diverse
and of manageable size. I think that the Council needs to remain responsible
for the policy activities and output of the working groups. Not only do I think
that councillors should be chosen as stewards for these Working Groups, but I
believe that the Council should have a role in determining whether the policy
recommendations are compatible with ICANN mission and core value and other
policy recommendations. Beyond this there is a need to make sure that the
various policy recommendation are not seen individually but are seen in the
light of other policy processes and efforts. This does not mean that the
council should be able to reject the work of a working group because it
disagrees with the conclusions. It does mean that the council should be able to
return policy recommendations to the working group with policy issues an!
d concerns that it believes are not adequately dealt with.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">I agree with the comment that Thomas Narten made, it
is critical for the council to have a voice in deciding whether the policy
recommendations of a working group are good for the Internet community. To me,
this means that the council must retain a policy management role.</DIV>
<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px">Avri</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On 2 nov 2007, at 06.59, Philip Sheppard wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751324513-02112007>Fellow Council
members,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751324513-02112007>many apologies for
missing the meetings in LA this week but alas my duties as IPRA president
intervened.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751324513-02112007>And I was flying
during our voting meeting so could not dial-in without bankrupting the
BC.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=751324513-02112007></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=751324513-02112007>Anyway, it seems
that some good progress was made on many issues (though I note not on the
politically sensitive issue of IGOs). </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>GNSO
reform</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>The reform
proposals pose some fundamental challenges to the heritage we guard known as
the bottom-up process.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>While we may differ
in outcomes with respect to constituency boundary changes, it may be productive
to have debate on some of the wider issues of the reform
proposals.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>In particular it
would be good to know fellow Council members views on the objective that
Council should manage the PDP but not decide (if I may
paraphrase).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>This objective is
separate to its implementation (eg work groups ) for which I see little need to
debate as we do them anyway when we believe they are right to
do.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>But I am concerned
that the objective may weaken Council by diminishing the incentive for
participation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007></SPAN><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial size=2>It would be good to
learn of opinions on this.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=751324513-02112007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Philip
</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>
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