Re: [council] Next GNSO Council chair - and Vice-chairs ?

["Sophia B" <sophiabekele@xxxxxxxxx>]

I agree in what Chuck had said, it would be a challenge for the next Chair
to
do what Bruce had done so far.  I may not entirely agree that a vice-chair
role unless
elected by the group vs. by the chair will save the day on the checks and
balances
required, which then fall upon the Council members again to sort out.
I have seen this happen in some WGs

I think we need to take our time like Ross suggested to go thru a proper
election process for other roles than the Chair as well.  Otherwise we may
be sacrificing issues of equity and balance ever expediency.

Sophia


On 16/04/07, Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> My comment was not related to Bruce.  But rather, a desire to create
> standard and customary checks and balances in ICANN governance
> structures.  A vice-chair is a standard and customary mechanism for
> checks and balances in many governance structures.
>
> But let's not pretend that a chair has equal power to other councilors.
> The chair decides where there agreement; the chair decides what to
> include in reports and what to omit; the chair decides whether to call
> something "strong support" or just "support".  There are a number of
> ways in which a chair can influence the outcome  -  and yes, that is why
> it is imperative that a chair be as neutral as possible.
>
> Robin
>
>
> Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>
> >I am interested in the use of the term 'power'.  Obviously, the chair
> >has important influence over the procedings of the Council and that is
> >why strong leadership skills are critical.  But that is also why the
> >ability to lead in a neutral manner is also critical.  If any chair uses
> >the position to exercise undo 'power' or influence to advocate his/her
> >own views, then it would be our responsibilities as Councilors to
> >object.  A Council member has the same voting power whether that member
> >is chair or not.
> >
> >I believe that Bruce has done an amazing job in this regard and it will
> >be a big challenge for the next chair to do as well, but that is what we
> >should strive for.
> >
> >Chuck Gomes
> >
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> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robin Gross
> >>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:38 PM
> >>To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: Re: [council] Next GNSO Council chair - and Vice-chairs ?
> >>
> >>I support the idea of council vice-chairs to distribute both
> >>the workload and the power of the chairmanship to other councilors.
> >>
> >>I think that the vice-chair should be the person with the 2nd
> >>most votes in the final round of voting for chairman.
> >>
> >>We should examine appropriate checks and balances of power
> >>within council as part of the over-all GNSO review and improvements.
> >>
> >>Robin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I personally think that the idea of a chair and one or two
> >>>
> >>>
> >>vice chairs
> >>
> >>
> >>>is worth discussing further for possible usage in the remainder of
> >>>Bruce's term (until the annual meeting).  As Philip
> >>>
> >>>
> >>indicates, it might
> >>
> >>
> >>>be a reasonable way to better distribute the work load of Council
> >>>leadership.  It would also allow some time for the work of the Board
> >>>Governance committee regarding the GNSO review to progress
> >>>
> >>>
> >>and at the
> >>
> >>
> >>>same time give us some time to test the idea.
> >>>
> >>>I like Philip am interested in what others think.
> >>>
> >>>Chuck Gomes
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Philip Sheppard
> >>>>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:19 AM
> >>>>To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>Subject: [council] Next GNSO Council chair - and Vice-chairs ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>I am comfortable with the idea of the next appointment being till
> >>>>after the AGM - to help synchronise the term.
> >>>>
> >>>>Let me start on list, a discussion we had face to face with some
> >>>>council members in Lisbon and the idea of both a chair and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>one or two
> >>
> >>
> >>>>vice chairs also.
> >>>>I see this model working well for a few reasons:
> >>>>- clear responsibility for deputising for chair when the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>chair cannot
> >>
> >>
> >>>>make a meeting/call for any reason;
> >>>>- a vice chair could also chair any committees of the whole if
> >>>>convened in future;
> >>>>- at a time of multiple overlapping issues, vice chairs
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>could be given
> >>
> >>
> >>>>an issue responsibility to help oversee not the policy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>(that would be
> >>
> >>
> >>>>the TF chair) but any administrative and coordination questions
> >>>>(especially useful when the TF chair is not a council member).
> >>>>
> >>>>There is nothing in the by-laws to prevent us from such
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>appointments.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>What do other Council members think ?
> >>>>Philip
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >