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RE: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a rant change
- To: Larry Erlich <erlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a rant change
- From: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:57:11 -0700
- Cc: Mark Jeftovic <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Registrars Constituency <registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Richard Lau <richard@xxxxxxx>, markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx, jwesterdal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Reply-to: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Sender: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- User-agent: Web-Based Email 4.8.5
<div>It may in some cases. While we try to
build intelligent systems we haven't completely accomplished
AI yet :)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Basically, if the system thinks the ownership has changed, it will
trigger the lock. However, if we're requested to review it
and we find it was just something like correcting typos we
will usually unlock it. In some cases we might do a little
more due dilligence to be certain.<BR></div>
<div><BR>Tim <BR></div>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT:
blue 2px solid">-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re:
[registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a<BR>rant
change<BR>From: Larry Erlich
<erlich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Date: Fri, October 06, 2006 10:11
am<BR>To: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: Mark Jeftovic
<markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Registrars
Constituency<BR><registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Richard Lau
<richard@xxxxxxx>,<BR>markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx, tim@xxxxxxxxxxx,
jwesterdal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><BR>"I'm noticing that after a Godaddy user
moves a domain to another <BR>Godaddy account, or changes the registrant
info of a domain, they are <BR>enforcing a 60-day no transfer-out
rule."<BR><BR>Tim,<BR><BR>If a registrant makes a minor typographical
change to<BR>the registrant name is that enough for your system
to<BR>trigger the lock?<BR><BR>Larry
Erlich<BR><BR>http://www.DomainRegistry.com<BR><BR>Tim Ruiz
wrote:<BR>> Both are incorrect. It involves a separate and voluntary
agreement <BR>> between us and the new registrant in regards to a
completely optional <BR>> process. We have just as many customers
who decide to transfer first, <BR>> then change the ownership. Our
only concern is in protecting the <BR>> interests of our customers
and ensuring secure transfers of ownership.<BR>> <BR>>
Tim<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -------- Original Message
--------<BR>> Subject: Re: [registrars] Godaddy locks
domains in for 60 days after a<BR>> rant
change<BR>> From: Mark Jeftovic
<markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> Date: Thu, October 05,
2006 2:45 pm<BR>> To: Richard Lau
<richard@xxxxxxx><BR>> Cc: Registrars
Constituency <registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> <BR>>
Yes, somebody else mentioned that to me off list, to which I
replied:<BR>> <BR>> I think that's a liberal
interpretation of this paragraph:<BR>> <BR>> "A
domain name is within 60 days (or a lesser period to be
determined)<BR>> after being transferred (apart from
being transferred back to the<BR>> original Registrar
in cases where both Registrars so agree and/or where<BR>>
a decision in the dispute resolution process so
directs)."<BR>> <BR>> Because in the next section
the exclusions specifically define the<BR>> transfers
as between registrars:<BR>> <BR>> "Instances when
the re! quested change of Registrar may not be denied<BR>>
include, but are not limited to: ...<BR>> <BR>>
Domain name registration period time constraints, other than
during the<BR>> first 60 days of initial registration
or during the first 60 days after<BR>> a registrar
transfer."<BR>> <BR>> It could be that sloppy text
in the first paragraph opened the door to<BR>> this.
If a registrar is worried about the change of registrant they<BR>>
should satisfy themselves before executing it, it's a
separate issue<BR>> from a registrar transfer.<BR>>
<BR>> This is just a tactic to try to keep the domain
via auto-renew or<BR>> hoping<BR>>
the new owner is lazy and forgets after 60days and just leaves it
there.<BR>> <BR>> -mark<BR>> <BR>>
Richard Lau wrote:<BR>> > I could be
wrong here, but I think the section where it says:<BR>>
><BR>> > A domain name is
within 60 days (or a lesser period to be determined)<BR>>
> after being transferred (apart from being transferred
back to the<BR>> > original Registrar in cases
wh! ere both Registrars so agree<BR>> and/or
where<BR>> > a decision in the di spute
resolution process so directs).<BR>>
><BR>> > is being interpreted
as:<BR>> > A domain name is within 60 days
after being transferred. <BR>> > ...
where the word "transferred" is used as transferred between two<BR>>
> different registrants at the same
Registrar.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Probably not what the author(s) intended, but as we all
have<BR>> seen, it's<BR>> >
the letter of the (ICANN) law, not the intent of the law, that<BR>>
counts.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Just my guess.<BR>>
><BR>> > Richard<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>>
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:24:58 -0400, "Mark
Jeftovic"<BR>> <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>>
> said:<BR>> ><BR>>
>>I'm noticing that after a Godaddy user moves
a domain to another<BR>> Godaddy<BR>>
>>account, or changes the registrant info of a domain, they
are<BR>> enforcing<BR>>
>>a 60-day no transfer-out rule.<BR>>
>><BR>> >>I don't think that
is permissable under the policy posted at<BR>>
>><BR>>
>>http://www.icann.org/transfers/polic!
y-12jul04.htm<BR>> >><BR>>
>>Which only provides that the losing registrar can
deny a transfer<BR>> if a<BR>>
>>domain is within 60 days of the initial reg period or 60
days of a<BR>> >>previous registrar
transfer.<BR>> >><BR>>
>>Has this come up before?<BR>>
>><BR>> >><BR>>
>>-mark<BR>> >><BR>>
>>--<BR>> >>Mark
Jeftovic <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>>
>>Founder & President, easyDNS Technologies
Inc.<BR>> >>ph. +1-(416)-535-8672 ext
225<BR>> >>fx. +1-(866) 273-2892<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>>
<BR>> -- <BR>> Mark Jeftovic
<markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> Founder &
President, easyDNS Technologies Inc.<BR>> ph.
+1-(416)-535-8672 ext 225<BR>> fx. +1-(866) 273-2892
<BR>> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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