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RE: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a rant change
- To: Richard Lau <richard@xxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a rant change
- From: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:08:06 -0700
- Cc: Registrars Constituency <registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Mark Jeftovic <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Reply-to: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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<div>Richard,</div>
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<div>Yes, it's part of that process. And actually, during the process that resulted in the new transfer policy (well, not so new any more) we suggested the 60-day rule extend to registrant transfers. We'd still support that.</div>
<div><BR><BR>Tim <BR></div>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid">-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: RE: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a<BR>rant change<BR>From: "Richard Lau" <richard@xxxxxxx><BR>Date: Thu, October 05, 2006 3:36 pm<BR>To: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Mark Jeftovic" <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: "Registrars Constituency" <registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><BR>Hi Tim,<BR><BR>So it's part of the process that the new Registrant agrees to?<BR><BR>Personally I don't think it's a bad idea because it does make it easier<BR>to undo fraudulent transfers (between registrants) - I was just saying<BR>how I thought it was being implemented. <BR><BR>Perhaps we should all swing to not allowing transfer outs for 60 days<BR>after the Registrant field has changed. It would probably help in domain<BR>hijacking cases.<BR><BR>Richard<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 13:16:!
23 -0700, "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:<BR>> <BR>> Both are incorrect. It involves a separate and voluntary agreement<BR>> between us and the new registrant in regards to a completely optional<BR>> process. We have just as many customers who decide to transfer first,<BR>> then change the ownership. Our only concern is in protecting the<BR>> interests of our customers and ensuring secure transfers of ownership.<BR>> <BR>> Tim<BR>> <BR>> -------- Original Message --------<BR>> Subject: Re: [registrars] Godaddy locks domains in for 60 days after a<BR>> rant change<BR>> From: Mark Jeftovic <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> Date: Thu, October 05, 2006 2:45 pm<BR>> To: Richard Lau <richard@xxxxxxx><BR>> Cc: Registrars Constituency <registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> Yes, somebody else mentioned that to me off list, to which I replied:<BR>> &!
nbsp; I think that's a liberal interpretation of this paragraph:<BR>&g
t; "A domain name is within 60 days (or a lesser period to be determined)<BR>> after being transferred (apart from being transferred back to the<BR>> original Registrar in cases where both Registrars so agree and/or where<BR>> a decision in the dispute resolution process so directs)."<BR>> Because in the next section the exclusions specifically define the<BR>> transfers as between registrars:<BR>> "Instances when the re! quested change of Registrar may not be denied<BR>> include, but are not limited to: ...<BR>> Domain name registration period time constraints, other than during the<BR>> first 60 days of initial registration or during the first 60 days after<BR>> a registrar transfer."<BR>> It could be that sloppy text in the first paragraph opened the door to<BR>> this. If a registrar is worried about the change of registrant they<BR>> sho!
uld satisfy themselves before executing it, it's a separate issue<BR>> from a registrar transfer.<BR>> This is just a tactic to try to keep the domain via auto-renew or<BR>> hoping<BR>> the new owner is lazy and forgets after 60days and just leaves it<BR>> there.<BR>> -mark<BR>> Richard Lau wrote:<BR>> > I could be wrong here, but I think the section where it says:<BR>> ><BR>> > A domain name is within 60 days (or a lesser period to be determined)<BR>> > after being transferred (apart from being transferred back to the<BR>> > original Registrar in cases wh! ere both Registrars so agree and/or where<BR>> > a decision in the di spute resolution process so directs).<BR>> ><BR>> > is being interpreted as:<BR>> > A domain name is within 60 days after being transferred.<BR>> > ... wh!
ere the word "transferred" is used as transferred between two<BR>>
> different registrants at the same Registrar.<BR>> ><BR>> > Probably not what the author(s) intended, but as we all have seen, it's<BR>> > the letter of the (ICANN) law, not the intent of the law, that counts.<BR>> ><BR>> > Just my guess.<BR>> ><BR>> > Richard<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:24:58 -0400, "Mark Jeftovic" <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> > said:<BR>> ><BR>> >>I'm noticing that after a Godaddy user moves a domain to another Godaddy<BR>> >>account, or changes the registrant info of a domain, they are enforcing<BR>> >>a 60-day no transfer-out rule.<BR>> >><BR>> >>I don't think that is permissable under the policy posted at<BR>> >><BR>> >>http://www.icann.org/transfers/polic! y-1!
2jul04.htm<BR>> >><BR>> >>Which only provides that the losing registrar can deny a transfer if a<BR>> >>domain is within 60 days of the initial reg period or 60 days of a<BR>> >>previous registrar transfer.<BR>> >><BR>> >>Has this come up before?<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >>-mark<BR>> >><BR>> >>--<BR>> >>Mark Jeftovic <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> >>Founder & President, easyDNS Technologies Inc.<BR>> >>ph. +1-(416)-535-8672 ext 225<BR>> >>fx. +1-(866) 273-2892<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> --<BR>> Mark Jeftovic <markjr@xxxxxxxxxxx><BR>> Founder & President, easyDNS Technologies Inc.<BR>> ph. +1-(416)-535-8672 ext 225<BR>> fx. +1-(866) 273-2892 </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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