RE: [ga] scammers using whois privacy

["Paul Stahura" <stahura@xxxxxxxx>]

Jeff, it occurs to me, for your purpose of whois, both an email address
and phone number would not be required to be publicly displayed either.
Just a means of contacting the registrant.  For example, a web form
could be presented that sends the form contents to the (hidden) email
address, or a skype ID (or some other anonymous ID) could be displayed
which would connect to the (hidden) phone number when making the skype
call.

PS 
the real ID Act example... from you... I dig it :>)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:07 PM
To: Hugh Dierker
Cc: kidsearch; Karl Auerbach; Dena Whitebirch; ga
Subject: Re: [ga] scammers using whois privacy

Dr. Dierker and all,

  Agreed here Eric and Karl.  I disagree, as do most of our members
with Chris, in that using whois as a means of due diligence.  Hence
again
why "Name and address" of any registrant as viewable data in a whois
query isn't a need to know issue as it relates to whois data.  Only law
enforcement needs access to this level of granularity of information
when
using whois, and only than only when a criminal investigation is in
process.

  For instance in texas one is not required to give a physical address
on ones Drivers license.  However this may change with the passage
of the real ID Act which each state must give a physical address along
with some form of biometrics information as well, and the real ID Act
must begin implementation in 2008.  However this does not translate
into anyone having access to any texas drivers license.

Hugh Dierker wrote:

>    Look up the history and current laws relating to stalkers. Privacy
> is paramount and we have developed laws to asure only people with a
> reasonable need may get the information and they in fact are well
> tracked.
>   (some will argue that you can just walk in and get property
> documents at your local recorder -but think about that. You already
> know where they live, business licenses are the same.)
>
>   Also if you got no real need to know you simply should not.
>
>   e
>
> kidsearch <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   None of which I have to do to find out who owns a piece of property
> or who
> got the business license for a store offline. On ecommerce websites
> there is
> no strong legitimate reason for hiding the information in my opinion
> Karl.
> The right to know who you are about to do business with isn't
> important to
> you?
>
> Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
> http://www.articlecontentprovider.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Auerbach"
> To: "kidsearch"
> Cc: "Dena Whitebirch" ; "ga"
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] scammers using whois privacy
>
>
> > kidsearch wrote:
> >
> >> ... One of the reasons cited for being able to hide whois info was
> to ...
> >
> > And one of the curative measures that seems to constantly escape the
> minds
> > of ICANN is that *before* any person should be allowed to examine
> whois
> > information that person ought to be required to declare, in writing,
> into
> > a permanent and public archive the following things:
> >
> > - Who it is who is making the inquiry (including any necessary
> proofs of
> > that identity.)
> >
> > - What legal right of the person making the inquiry is being
> violated.
> > (If the person is acting as an agent or attorney on behalf of the
> putative
> > injured person, than that relationship should be disclosed as well.)
>
> >
> > - A statement of concrete facts that lead to the reasonable belief
> that
> > the data subject of the whois record is, in fact, the person who is
> the
> > direct cause of those violations.
> >
> > In an ideal world this statement would be reviewed by an impartial
> person
> > to spot what are incomplete or bogus applications to make whois
> inquiries.
> > But that may be too expensive. So in lieu, the manager of the whois
> > database should do two things:
> >
> > - Whenever someone applies to look at a whois record on a person,
> that
> > person should be sent an e-mail notice containing the statements
> above.
> >
> > - A tabulation of all the people making inquiries, showing how many
> > inquiries they have made. This will help identify those who do data
> > mining from whois.
> >
> > But as I have said, this notion of adding a balance to the inquiry
> system
> > seems to be something that the mind of ICANN can not absorb.
> >
> > --karl--
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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