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[ga] reviving @large (was ALS)

Roberto,
the real problem is to define an @large today and to clarify the ICANN nature, hence what is the ALAC. The "benefit" of the ALAC is to have buried the @large issue for a while. This permits a restart with a better view of who/what is at stake. For example, the oldest @large incorporated structure is probably france@large. I do not think there is an interest for it in ALAC.

The Internet is the IANA, the protocols and the users. ICANN is involved in co-operating the IANA, not in protocols not in users and in domain name trade coordination. As a user I am concerned about IANA, partly unsatisfied with protocols and with the domain name service.

Should I today build the whole Internet again, I would conceive it as:

- a private network (of any size) owners network structured, secretariat supported, association - with special colleges by solutions, bandwidth, on-line and in-line services providers. Supported by an International Network Campus (physical and virtual) where Members can meet by SIGs and freely organise their intergovernance of the world's digital ecosystem they co-build.

- the concerted management of a distributed and modern registry system (DRS) totally conforming to other areas registry systems - including the numbers, names, languages etc. registries fully supporting externets (internal external networks look alike) and global, specialised, lingual etc. spaces of exchanges, trust and services (SETS)

- a protocol interest group collecting members requirement, keeping an undated Internet tested solutions book with a free "Internet OS" CD progressively organised as easy to identify, install and used building blocks. Most probably progressively adding more sure, secure, stable and innovation oriented basic protocols and an more open global architecture integrating the digital convergence and the services to the relation (parallel end to end serviced interoperability and brain to brain interintelligibility) over the decade to come.

- a national/regional/local exchange architecture, along the WSIS resolution, able to support free IPv6 addresses for all of the form "technical header"+telephone/SS number+extension - keeping the current IPv6 plan for IPv4 compatibility and special cases (I would expect to increase when comparing to the current situation due to a generalised IPv6 support).

jfc

At 19:05 24/09/2005, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
I don't want to get into the debate, on which I hold an opinion that is different from the one of Richard, but only bring to this list an element of fact.

While the application of Danny Younger was consciously rejected because the ALAC, or at least large part of it, thought it was not fulfilling the requirements, the rejection of the America at Large application was due only to the fact that some members did not vote in the required window of time, therefore not allowing a qualified majority to vote in favour.
To be honest, I feel terribly embarassed to have to report this: I don't think that it is at all acceptable that an organization fails to obtain a quorum on an email vote. However, the only action ALAC can take at this time is to accept the verdict, and prepare a proposal for changing the bylaws allowing the qualified majority of the members actually casting the vote, as opposed of the qualified majority of the members having the right to vote, be necessary for approval. At that point, I would recommend them to resubmit the application.

Incidentally, I still think that an application by the GA would be a *good thing*, and would be accepted (maybe with the modified bylaws would be safer).

Regards,
Roberto


From: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>, <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] America at Large also denied ALS status
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:38:18 +0100

The logic:

ICANN is merely the tool or instrument of the United States (to which alone it is ultimately accountable).

ICANN does not want accountability to a wider cross-section of Internet Users around the world.

Therefore ALAC was created to create a barrier to participation by individuals who might call both ICANN and its US sponsors to account.

ALAC has no voting power on the ICANN Board. ALAC has no individual members. ALAC exists to keep individuals at arms length from ICANN's key processes.

Therefore: limit membership and make it impossible for individuals to participate.

Result: most individuals vote with their feet and depart.

Effect on Participation and Forums: they are virtually dead.

End Product: ICANN and USG carry on their symbiotic relationship undisturbed.

Yrs,

Richard Henderson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Danny Younger
  To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Cc: mike@xxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 6:14 PM
  Subject: [ga] America at Large also denied ALS status


        Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT)
        From: "RJGlass" <jipshida@xxxxxxxxx>



Hi Danny,

I'm wondering if you can help me out on something?

After pressuring, once again, ICANN for a decision on
our ALS status (AmericaatLarge), I was just informed
that we were denied certification...


thanks,
randy
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