[ga] Re: [Ecommerce] ICC Seeks U.N. Takeover While Excluding ICANN, U.S. Government from Meeting

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John and all,

john bolk wrote:

>    The really interesting thing about the ICC WSIS proposal is that
> ICC represents many big US companies such as AT&T, Microsoft, Boeing,
> Oracle, Verizon, AOL, etc.

 How active are all of these companies in ICC though?

>
>
> With big US companies supporting the proposal to let the UN ICT Task
> Force take over ICANN's responsibilities it looks like things could
> change soon.  Not sure I understand why a buzz org would like
> governments to govern the Internet though?

  I don't think they do wand governments to govern the Internet.
Certainly
the USG doesn't want that either.  However some back room deals that I
have
been told about seem to indicate that some large US telecom companies
are not happy enough with ICANN and don't want the USG to govern
the internet exclusively either.

>
>
> The proposal was stated again by an ICC official at WSIS today:
> http://businessatwsis.net/mainpages/position/policy/tag.php
>
> http://businessatwsis.net/mainpages/media/press/news.php?news_id=15
>
>
> Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> John and all,
>
> I am not surprised to here of the unfortunate forcible removal of
> ICANN's
> CEO Mr. Twomey's removal form this UN ICC meeting. As ICANN has
> snubbed many stakeholder groups including ICC and INEGroup amongst
> many others form it's terribly flawed "Reform" process started by the
> former
> ICANN CEO Stuart Lynn, and finalized by Mr. Twomey. The much discussed
>
> and debated ICANN Cabel has led it to growing disdain on global
> basis.
>
> However all this aside, it is also obvious that from earlier reports
> that the
> US is not interested nor willing to consider a major Role of the UN or
>
> any UN agency to play a significant management role for managing
> the central aspects of the Internet, nor determine policy there unto
> pertaining.
>
> ICANN was warned time and time again of the "error in its ways"
> as far back as 1999, and either ignored such warnings unwisely
> or did not have the intellectual capacity by which to address these
> many and repeated warning adequately and as such has served
> to divide stakeholders/users rather than act as a catalyst to
> unite them...
>
> john bolk wrote:
>
> > --
> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> > CircleID, Dec 09, 2003
> >
> > ICC Seeks U.N. Takeover While Excluding ICANN, U.S. Government from
> Meeting
> >
> > An organization which purports to be "the voice of world business"
> is proposing a de facto U.N. takeover of ICANN. The proposal by a
> senior official of the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) would
> place ICANN under the U.N. umbrella and give a strong role to U.N.
> agencies and to various national governments, including those that
> suppress free speech and free enterprise. In a move of breathtaking
> arrogance, the ICC refused to even invite ICANN or U.S. government
> representatives to the meeting at which they are presenting their
> proposal. As reported here by Jennifer Schenker:
> >
> > "Paul Twomey, the president of the Internet's semi-official
> governing body, Icann, learned Friday night what it feels like to be
> an outsider. Mr. Twomey, who had flown 20 hours from Vietnam to Geneva
> to observe a preparatory meeting for this week's United Nations'
> conference on Internet issues, ended up being escorted from the
> meeting room by guards. The officials running the meeting had suddenly
> decided to exclude outside observers. Mr. Twomey's ejection may
> underscore the resentment of many members of the international
> community over the way the Internet is run and over United States
> ownership of many important Internet resources. Although Mr. Twomey is
> Australian, Icann - the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
> Numbers - is a powerful nonprofit group established by the United
> States government in 1998 to oversee various technical coordination
> issues for the global network. Icann and the United States government
> are expected to come under heavy fire at the conference,
>  which
> > begins Wednesday in Geneva and will be one of the largest gatherings
> of high-level government officials, business leaders and nonprofit
> organizations to discuss the Internet's future."
> >
> > Any proposal or process for overhauling ICANN's governance that
> excludes key stakeholders is a major step backwards for the goals of
> openness and transparency. Furthermore, for a business group to
> propose giving a strong role in managing the infrastructure of the
> international information economy to the United Nations, an
> organization best known for unwieldily, costly, ineffective, and
> unaccountable bureaucracies, is downright strange. Corporations that
> contribute to the ICC may want to reconsider how best to use their
> shareholder's resources.
> >
> > http://www.circleid.com/article/394_0_1_0_C/
> >
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> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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>
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> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
    Pierre Abelard

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 214-244-3801